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Lying is not illegal - always scout!
Forum index >> Center for rookies >> Lying is not illegal - always scout! Goto page : 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
 
Redbirdgrad
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Posted on 2009-08-31 16:52:21
And I would argue that it would give the admin a little more work in the short term, but once people start getting banned for any cheating caught by the admin, the cheaters would be few and far between...
  
MasterMark
Posts: 2592
Posted on 2009-08-31 16:54:36
sounds like a good solution to me. let's implement it admins
  
Mercutioh
Posts: 7396
Posted on 2009-08-31 17:13:45
Ok just to chime in on this since it's obviously a heated debate. Where does public blacklisting stop? If I say my player has High talent and he only has 3, is it ok for the buyer to smear my name because the talent wasn't "high" in his eyes? Public accusations like this are always incredibly tricky to handle because you can't take them back, and if a baseless claim is made, someone has been smeared with no repercussions. Lying is definitely a bad thing, no one is debating that fact, but witch hunts are just as bad. If you think that the benefit outweighs the cost, ask the Duke Mens Lacrosse coach or those players wrongfully accused and forever stained.
  
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Posted on 2009-08-31 18:02:22
Mercutioh wrote:

.....Duke Mens Lacrosse coach or those players wrongfully accused and forever stained.



To change the subject a little - what happened here?
  
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Mercutioh
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Posted on 2009-08-31 18:10:21
Some of the duke mens lacrosse team's players were accused of raping a stripper. The coach was fired, the suit ended up being dismissed from court and the boys all had their names dragged through the mud as rapists on every television news/sports talk show for three weeks. They players lost their senior season of Lacrosse, the woman was never charged with a slander suit or anything like that, and the coach (I believe at the time the all time leader in wins in Lacrosse) lost his job when he wasn't even involved at all. All based on an unfounded public accusation.
  
Redbirdgrad
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Posted on 2009-08-31 18:20:21
Mercutioh wrote:

Ok just to chime in on this since it's obviously a heated debate. Where does public blacklisting stop? If I say my player has High talent and he only has 3, is it ok for the buyer to smear my name because the talent wasn't "high" in his eyes? Public accusations like this are always incredibly tricky to handle because you can't take them back, and if a baseless claim is made, someone has been smeared with no repercussions. Lying is definitely a bad thing, no one is debating that fact, but witch hunts are just as bad. If you think that the benefit outweighs the cost, ask the Duke Mens Lacrosse coach or those players wrongfully accused and forever stained.



I think if you're going to leave things open to interpretation and not get a "hard number", then you really have no basis to go back on. What two people consider "high talent" might be different so there's no recourse for that.

I'm talking about outing the people where we have hard facts against them. Like if I say a person has 5 star talent and he's actually a 2 star, then we have those facts to go back on.

The Duke Lacrosse scandal is completely different because the "victim" had something to gain by making the "baseless claim" (money, exposure, etc...). In this game, there is nothing to gain by making a baseless claim, so it's not really going to happen.

  
Mercutioh
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Posted on 2009-08-31 18:34:16
It could be argued that the something to be gained would be competitive advantage. You could decry a rival who is attempting to sell off a rookie at a premium to finance his stadium build. Thus debasing his reputation and lowering his ability to sell further players. The problem with the court of public opinion is that there is no way to truly dismiss a case. There is something to be gained in merely taking teams down to certain people. I don't like the false advertisers, I just want them to be handled in a way that is a little more private than a public hanging.
  
Redbirdgrad
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Posted on 2009-08-31 19:05:35
Mercutioh wrote:

It could be argued that the something to be gained would be competitive advantage. You could decry a rival who is attempting to sell off a rookie at a premium to finance his stadium build. Thus debasing his reputation and lowering his ability to sell further players. The problem with the court of public opinion is that there is no way to truly dismiss a case. There is something to be gained in merely taking teams down to certain people. I don't like the false advertisers, I just want them to be handled in a way that is a little more private than a public hanging.



Me too, but we've already heard from the admin that they wont stop it.

This is like the police saying they wont start looking for or arresting murderers. If they came out and said that, guess what will start happening more frequently...
  
Mercutioh
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Posted on 2009-08-31 19:11:56
If your intention is Murder, than that would be questionable, If your answer is vigilantism, then the odds are pretty high. It's an extremely slippery slope to incite mob justice. One that a community like this shouldn't need. PMs to friends get out the message as effectively as a public smearing does, and stays within the intent of the forums.
  
TFisch
Posts: 0
Posted on 2009-08-31 19:15:26
Easy guys, I did not start this thread to get a heated debate

My purpose was only to help newer managers to know what the situation is.
As I see it we (the community) can do 2 things:
1: try to talk the admins into making lying illegal (which we are doing pretty fine here)
2: make sure that its common knowledge what lying is normal in the Ads section, so that as few managers as possibly gets burned. Over time this will make the Ads section untrustworthy and the section will become obsolete
  
 
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