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Posted on 2016-12-23 18:46:35
Gatr22 wrote:

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TXMacLeod wrote:

Tom Brady was a 7th rounder and so many 1st and 2nd round picks flop. You could get a 3rd for Landry, I think. True, it may not be necessary at all, but to secure enough cash flow to get a consistent threat at QB, Landry is the best deal.

All things considered, Tannehill ain't it.



So your logic is basically that since the Patriots hit the biggest draft jackpot of all time, the Dolphins should get rid of a young, cheap wide receiver in hopes of recreating the Patriots' magic?



My suggestion to get rid of Landry, because I feel he does have value and the Dolphins do have other good receivers on the roster right now. To me he has good value right now, so makes sense. There are a myriad of other posts that either say he is only okay or he is the one of the best in the league. I think he is good, but I also question his 'go to' ability and posted 3rd down stats for all of last year, where he was only coming in at a lousy 10% conversion when catching the ball behind the line to gain. Very poor as compared to others. I think the Dolphins can do better, both with the QB and him, but definitely make moves to improve the QB play



I agree to an extent. I would put out some feelers. Make sure you get some serious value before ditching him as he is adding a lot to the team. You are trading away a puzzle piece. I don't see Landry as a top tier receiver but he could be a great no. 2. If you get no.1 receiver value from a trade then go for it but I would not be scared about being willing to hold onto him to trade a hard bargain.
  
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Posted on 2016-12-23 19:23:27
Christy wrote:

I agree to an extent. I would put out some feelers. Make sure you get some serious value before ditching him as he is adding a lot to the team. You are trading away a puzzle piece. I don't see Landry as a top tier receiver but he could be a great no. 2. If you get no.1 receiver value from a trade then go for it but I would not be scared about being willing to hold onto him to trade a hard bargain.



Exactly. Running an NFL team is a business and bargaining to further position is what it's all about. I have no problem seeing Landry as a #1 receiver, being that the #1 is usually your most reliable receiver to move the chains, other than a good TE. Landry would fill that roll well, if he had a reliable QB, which is the problem Miami has with Tannehill.
  
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Posted on 2016-12-23 20:52:37
TXMacLeod wrote:

Christy wrote:

I agree to an extent. I would put out some feelers. Make sure you get some serious value before ditching him as he is adding a lot to the team. You are trading away a puzzle piece. I don't see Landry as a top tier receiver but he could be a great no. 2. If you get no.1 receiver value from a trade then go for it but I would not be scared about being willing to hold onto him to trade a hard bargain.



Exactly. Running an NFL team is a business and bargaining to further position is what it's all about. I have no problem seeing Landry as a #1 receiver, being that the #1 is usually your most reliable receiver to move the chains, other than a good TE. Landry would fill that roll well, if he had a reliable QB, which is the problem Miami has with Tannehill.



Well that's just it. The 3rd down stats that I posted were not just a reflection on the receiver, it's a huge reflection on the QB, tossing the ball to one of his receivers an average of 7.5 yards behind the 1st down mark. A better QB maybe would have found a better option on those plays. 10% doesn't get it done on those super important plays during the season and there are plenty of players converting on or near 50%. You just have to get better at the QB position and there are too many good players on their team now to not try and make that happen
  
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Posted on 2016-12-23 22:19:14
Sverngold wrote:

Whammy Business wrote:

So your logic is basically that since the Patriots hit the biggest draft jackpot of all time, the Dolphins should get rid of a young, cheap wide receiver in hopes of recreating the Patriots' magic?



I think his logic is that to make receivers great, you have to have a good QB (unless you want to keep Tannehill and keep losing), and a good OL. To get the good QB, you have to free up some more cap space than Miami has (yes I know they have good cap room right now) But, along with the QB, bolster the front.



Wrong. You dont need cap space to get a new good qb. You can get him almost exclusively through drafting and rookies are a bargain.

Other than that in the real world ryan tannehill is our starting quarterback, he is a better than average starter not easy to replace at all (look how many qbs fail or endure major growing pains: Wentz, Goff, bortles, Petty, bridgewater, Lynch, Osweiler, even winston according to gatr). Other than that our qb guru head coach likes him a lot, he just lead us to a 7-1 winning streak before the injury so I can live with that kind of losing, over a full season it usually traslates in to a first round bye in the playoffs. I know, reality is hard to believe at times
  
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Posted on 2016-12-23 22:32:26
Gatr22 wrote:

TXMacLeod wrote:

Christy wrote:

I agree to an extent. I would put out some feelers. Make sure you get some serious value before ditching him as he is adding a lot to the team. You are trading away a puzzle piece. I don't see Landry as a top tier receiver but he could be a great no. 2. If you get no.1 receiver value from a trade then go for it but I would not be scared about being willing to hold onto him to trade a hard bargain.



Exactly. Running an NFL team is a business and bargaining to further position is what it's all about. I have no problem seeing Landry as a #1 receiver, being that the #1 is usually your most reliable receiver to move the chains, other than a good TE. Landry would fill that roll well, if he had a reliable QB, which is the problem Miami has with Tannehill.



Well that's just it. The 3rd down stats that I posted were not just a reflection on the receiver, it's a huge reflection on the QB, tossing the ball to one of his receivers an average of 7.5 yards behind the 1st down mark. A better QB maybe would have found a better option on those plays. 10% doesn't get it done on those super important plays during the season and there are plenty of players converting on or near 50%. You just have to get better at the QB position and there are too many good players on their team now to not try and make that happen



Bad play design leads to this kind of stats. Being a check down receiver leads to this kind of stats. Being force-fed by scheme leads to this kind of stats. Not being able to change plays at the line leads to this kind of results. There is a reason Miami has fired his coaching staff after last season. Your beloved stat doesnt really tell much about the player involved especially if he catches the ball in average 7 yds behind first down. It tells you he isnt a possession receiver because he wouldve caught near the marker. These are all checkdowns. You judge a receiver or a qb by his ability on checkdowns? Cmon

And by the way Landry has exactly ZERO traits of a #1 receiver in the NFL . Maybe the hands. Doesnt have the body, strength, length or speed required. Suggesting he might be a full time boundary receiver is laughable
  
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Posted on 2016-12-23 22:53:03
Kagemusha wrote:


Other than that in the real world ryan tannehill is our starting quarterback, he is a better than average starter not easy to replace at all (look how many qbs fail or endure major growing pains: Wentz, Goff, bortles, Petty, bridgewater, Lynch, Osweiler, even winston according to gatr). Other than that our qb guru head coach likes him a lot, he just lead us to a 7-1 winning streak before the injury so I can live with that kind of losing, over a full season it usually traslates in to a first round bye in the playoffs. I know, reality is hard to believe at times



I think Wentz will turn out far better than Tannehill. Bridgewater already is. Winston is raw, but possesses more talent. Mariotta I would put ahead of Tannehill too. Thing is, all this "discussion" is based on your, or our perceptions of things. You feel that Landry is an asset to the team and makes them better. I agree, but think the team can be better still with a mind towards the future, especially with Brady still leading the Patriots. The Fins will be able to get into the playoffs, but doubtful ever to finish with anything, based on the team as it is now. A better QB is a great start, along with a bolstered O-line. It all starts with the O-line anyway. Miami isn't a bad O-line, so they're good there for now.
  
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Posted on 2016-12-23 23:29:00
Ahahah

So as long as brady plays ( or belichick coaches, given how the backup played) every other team should just roll over and die? Hope they retire? Humurous.

Wentz and Bridgewater can be better than tannehill at backgamon, not at football. Is bridgewater walking ?

Winston and Mariota are debatable, they are playing well.
  
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Posted on 2016-12-24 1:27:32
Kagemusha wrote:

Gatr22 wrote:

TXMacLeod wrote:

Christy wrote:

I agree to an extent. I would put out some feelers. Make sure you get some serious value before ditching him as he is adding a lot to the team. You are trading away a puzzle piece. I don't see Landry as a top tier receiver but he could be a great no. 2. If you get no.1 receiver value from a trade then go for it but I would not be scared about being willing to hold onto him to trade a hard bargain.



Exactly. Running an NFL team is a business and bargaining to further position is what it's all about. I have no problem seeing Landry as a #1 receiver, being that the #1 is usually your most reliable receiver to move the chains, other than a good TE. Landry would fill that roll well, if he had a reliable QB, which is the problem Miami has with Tannehill.



Well that's just it. The 3rd down stats that I posted were not just a reflection on the receiver, it's a huge reflection on the QB, tossing the ball to one of his receivers an average of 7.5 yards behind the 1st down mark. A better QB maybe would have found a better option on those plays. 10% doesn't get it done on those super important plays during the season and there are plenty of players converting on or near 50%. You just have to get better at the QB position and there are too many good players on their team now to not try and make that happen



Bad play design leads to this kind of stats. Being a check down receiver leads to this kind of stats. Being force-fed by scheme leads to this kind of stats. Not being able to change plays at the line leads to this kind of results. There is a reason Miami has fired his coaching staff after last season. Your beloved stat doesnt really tell much about the player involved especially if he catches the ball in average 7 yds behind first down. It tells you he isnt a possession receiver because he wouldve caught near the marker. These are all checkdowns. You judge a receiver or a qb by his ability on checkdowns? Cmon

And by the way Landry has exactly ZERO traits of a #1 receiver in the NFL . Maybe the hands. Doesnt have the body, strength, length or speed required. Suggesting he might be a full time boundary receiver is laughable



weve seen how effective slot receivers can be and landry has potential to be one of the best. all this mentioning of new england and wes welker and julian edelman dont come into mind? landry is also an ELITE punt returner which was showcased last season when there was nobody else on the team that could figure it out. luckily they drafted 2 stud punt/kick returners so landry doesnt have to risk it.
  
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Posted on 2016-12-24 1:53:41
Kagemusha wrote:

Sverngold wrote:

Whammy Business wrote:

So your logic is basically that since the Patriots hit the biggest draft jackpot of all time, the Dolphins should get rid of a young, cheap wide receiver in hopes of recreating the Patriots' magic?



I think his logic is that to make receivers great, you have to have a good QB (unless you want to keep Tannehill and keep losing), and a good OL. To get the good QB, you have to free up some more cap space than Miami has (yes I know they have good cap room right now) But, along with the QB, bolster the front.



Wrong. You dont need cap space to get a new good qb. You can get him almost exclusively through drafting and rookies are a bargain.

Other than that in the real world ryan tannehill is our starting quarterback, he is a better than average starter not easy to replace at all (look how many qbs fail or endure major growing pains: Wentz, Goff, bortles, Petty, bridgewater, Lynch, Osweiler, even winston according to gatr). Other than that our qb guru head coach likes him a lot, he just lead us to a 7-1 winning streak before the injury so I can live with that kind of losing, over a full season it usually traslates in to a first round bye in the playoffs. I know, reality is hard to believe at times



To an extent I agree. Qbs are really hard to replace. If drafting a rookie I would leave in Tannehill and let the rookie face some competition before kicking out Tannehill. Gives you some protection in case you draft the next Gabbert. If you bring in a free agent. Well that tends to be tough to find. I don't see anyone suitable coming up.

The two I see coming up are Romo and Cutler. Cutler is not good enough and Romo will retire too quickly. Bradford maybe but I don't think he is enough of a benefit for the effort.
  
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Posted on 2016-12-24 7:24:44
Kagemusha wrote:

Ahahah

So as long as brady plays ( or belichick coaches, given how the backup played) every other team should just roll over and die? Hope they retire? Humurous.

Wentz and Bridgewater can be better than tannehill at backgamon, not at football. Is bridgewater walking ?

Winston and Mariota are debatable, they are playing well.



This is what happens to fans when Tannehill goes 7-1 against mediocre teams, so he fools them all for another season. I'm just glad he went down and everyone was able to see what the back up could do with the same receivers. Hey, even their tight end got involved to a large extent. I see too much Cutler in Tannehill to get excited. Just enough to drag you in for another go at it next season. Nothing debatable at all about Mariota and Winston, they are both doing better. Wentz is up and down, but worth a couple more seasons for sure. Tannehill had a few already. Bridgewater was definitely doing better before the major injury. He may never be back the same, but his back up had been exposed as just mediocre as most of us already knew and their Oline is one of the worst run blocking units ever assembled
  
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