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Kagemusha
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Posted on 2016-05-27 9:56:13
paulo187 wrote:

Compulsive tendencies and addiction impulses are forms of mental illness, so the "choice" that you seem to think he made may not be a rational one. On the surface to the likes of you, and of course the media, it looks like he just likes to go and party, but there is no say how in control of his mental faculties he actually is with regards to his hierarchy of social needs/desires.

Some people who go out partying a lot are just douche bags but the inability to control it when your career, finances and the rest of your professional life are on the line indicate something isn't quite right, so maybe judge the guy a bit less and hope he gets some help.



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Posted on 2016-05-27 10:22:01
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Also not sure that being able to run faster and throw a ball further than the average student precludes him from having completely unrelated issues with addiction. If anything being in the limelight like he was will make any addictive tendencies he has be magnified because it's easier for him to access such a lifestyle.



This is a big point. Do you know how hard it would be for me to have an addiction to class A drugs? I would be forced into cold chicken from finances alone (I would also be so terrified that I would look like a terrible cop in a sting operation attempting to buy it). Even with alcohol signs would show up quickly enough that I would be pulled to one side pretty quick and forced on the straight.

Anyway whether he has an addiction or not is irrelevant for us. I hope he either cops himself on or gets the help he needs as appropriate.

I agree that either way the signs were all there from college that he was going to have issues. Honestly if I were the Browns I would have forced him to get help a while ago. If he needs it you save a great prospect, if he doesn't then it isn't much of a loss to find out.
  

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Kagemusha
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Posted on 2016-05-27 10:43:41
Gatr22 wrote:

Kagemusha wrote:

Gatr22 wrote:



Look, flames said it and he just needed to own it, which he did already. A far cry from a few posts ago, where he didn't even remember saying it to begin with! I didn't realize you were now flames spokesperson? I'm sure he can speak for himself, which he has, which also kind of calls into question why you are trying to now be the authority on what he meant at all?

Your next paragraph only reiterated what I said in a post about 2 years ago, calling into question both his work ethic and predisposition to party too much. So I'm not sure your point here at all, other than I kind of nailed the prediction. You're right everybody misses predictions, some more than others, but I brought it up to show that my evaluations of players are more than just bluster and guessing. This gets back to the credibility of my evaluation of the Miami draft and also Henry as a player.



I don't see how your credibility might be affected by someone else's erroneus predictions.

It seems you want to diminish others to elevate you.



You are missing something, my credibility was shored up by my 3 predictions about Manziel, Bortles and Bridgewater. My comments toward flames had nothing to do with my credibility, rather it was him questioning mine.



The bolded statement was written by you or by the elf that lives in your laptop?

You were not writing about predictions you nailed (and that's fallacious too because past doesnt determine future) you wrote everybody misses predictions, some more than others, but I brought it up (it=the missed prediction) to show that my evaluations of players are more than just bluster and guessing. .

So to break the bolded part down

Every body misses predictions
+
Cflames missed a prediction
=
my predictions are more than bluster and guessing

or

Everybody missed a prediction
+
Cflames missed a prediction
=
He cant question my credibility
  
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Posted on 2016-05-27 15:31:18
paulo187 wrote:

Gatr22 wrote:

paulo187 wrote:

Compulsive tendencies and addiction impulses are forms of mental illness, so the "choice" that you seem to think he made may not be a rational one. On the surface to the likes of you, and of course the media, it looks like he just likes to go and party, but there is no say how in control of his mental faculties he actually is with regards to his hierarchy of social needs/desires.

Some people who go out partying a lot are just douche bags but the inability to control it when your career, finances and the rest of your professional life are on the line indicate something isn't quite right, so maybe judge the guy a bit less and hope he gets some help.



That's may be true, but it'a also a bit premature on your part as he hasn't even been diagnosed. I think he is a typical pro athlete that thinks he has arrived and doesn't have to work anymore. So in this case, my opinion is that he just thinks he doesn't have to listen to anyone. He's the man. Also, folks that party to much always started out with a decision, unless they were born without the faculty to make choices. I'm going to just assume, since he was a QB in college that he must have the ability to make choices and I'm just not willing to let folks like that off so easy. Now then, if he is diagnosed with this 'disease' that you are applying to his case, then I hope he gets some help, but I don't feel sorry for him due to his original poor choice or multiple ones. Sorry, that's my right as it is yours to presume that he has a mental illness instead of just being a 'douche bag'. I respect your right to that opinion



I sincerely hope for anyone close to you that they never need your help with mental health as that's one bleak and judgemental pedestal you're sitting on lording down on the rest of us.

He may or may not be diagnosed with those types of issues (diagnosis would be dependent on him actually admiting something is wrong and seeking help, something which people with mental illnesses aren't particularly well known for doing) but he tends to show an awful lot of signs that point to not being well.

Also not sure that being able to run faster and throw a ball further than the average student precludes him from having completely unrelated issues with addiction. If anything being in the limelight like he was will make any addictive tendencies he has be magnified because it's easier for him to access such a lifestyle.

But whatever, he hasn't been diagnosed by a doctor yet so you're obviously right and he's fine and just a waster who can't be bothered trying (paraphrasing, before you say that you never said that)



I do have first hand knowledge and the loss that comes with it. Nice of you to assume otherwise based on my opinions of one spoiled professional athlete that has had plenty of opportunity, both in college and professional, to address any issues.

I don't feel sorry for him at all. There are plenty of people that are in positions of little help and support that my energy and time are much more warranted to support.

I find it hard to feel bad for any of these athletes that fall to addictions or compulsive disorders. They have all the resources at their disposal. I do hope he figures it out and does get help, but I don't feel bad for him. There is a difference

  

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Posted on 2016-05-27 15:35:09
Kagemusha wrote:

Gatr22 wrote:

Kagemusha wrote:

Gatr22 wrote:



Look, flames said it and he just needed to own it, which he did already. A far cry from a few posts ago, where he didn't even remember saying it to begin with! I didn't realize you were now flames spokesperson? I'm sure he can speak for himself, which he has, which also kind of calls into question why you are trying to now be the authority on what he meant at all?

Your next paragraph only reiterated what I said in a post about 2 years ago, calling into question both his work ethic and predisposition to party too much. So I'm not sure your point here at all, other than I kind of nailed the prediction. You're right everybody misses predictions, some more than others, but I brought it up to show that my evaluations of players are more than just bluster and guessing. This gets back to the credibility of my evaluation of the Miami draft and also Henry as a player.



I don't see how your credibility might be affected by someone else's erroneus predictions.

It seems you want to diminish others to elevate you.



You are missing something, my credibility was shored up by my 3 predictions about Manziel, Bortles and Bridgewater. My comments toward flames had nothing to do with my credibility, rather it was him questioning mine.



The bolded statement was written by you or by the elf that lives in your laptop?

You were not writing about predictions you nailed (and that's fallacious too because past doesnt determine future) you wrote everybody misses predictions, some more than others, but I brought it up (it=the missed prediction) to show that my evaluations of players are more than just bluster and guessing. .

So to break the bolded part down

Every body misses predictions
+
Cflames missed a prediction
=
my predictions are more than bluster and guessing

or

Everybody missed a prediction
+
Cflames missed a prediction
=
He cant question my credibility



The past doesn't help to determine the future? Then what is the point of a resume? I would argue that your past record does have impact on credibility. Anyway, good luck on the coming season
  

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Posted on 2016-05-27 16:10:49
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The past doesn't help to determine the future? Then what is the point of a resume? I would argue that your past record does have impact on credibility. Anyway, good luck on the coming season



You are playing roulette. That's why your assumption of gained credibility based on supposedly nailed predictions is fallacious.
  
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Posted on 2016-05-27 16:40:26
Kagemusha wrote:

Gatr22 wrote:



The past doesn't help to determine the future? Then what is the point of a resume? I would argue that your past record does have impact on credibility. Anyway, good luck on the coming season



You are playing roulette. That's why your assumption of gained credibility based on supposedly nailed predictions is fallacious.



Now this is maybe your greatest analogy yet!! You are comparing my past confirmation that I nailed the fate of 3 QBs in the draft to playing roulette? A complete game of chance. You are saying that by luck I was able to predict the futures of Bortles, J-football and Bridgewater? The fact that I was accurate with those picks is an indication that I know what I'm talking about with future picks. Does it mean I'm always right? NO! But it does go to credibility in this arena. More so than someone suggesting J-football might become a hall of famer with just a bit more pocket awareness.
Please keep coming up with these analogies, I look forward to them each day and remember, it's not roulette here, it's just some guys giving their opinions of a few players and/or teams in the latest NFL draft. No money is on the line, opinions differ and in the end, the future will tell the story anyway.
  

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Posted on 2016-05-27 17:16:39
I'm also not sure knowing that Bortles and Bridgewater, 2 1st round projection QBs with stellar off field records and decent NFL-esque strengths as well as strong game film and decent scout records from pretty much every scout, are going to do well in the NFL and that Johnny Football, an off field train wreck with a skill set that doesn't suit the NFL, won't adjust is proper crystal ball type of predictions.

Now if you'd have predicted someone like Tom Brady being picked in round 6 becoming one of the best ever QBs despite average scout reports, awful; physical attributes and being drafted so low then fair enough, but saying the same thing as every major NFL scout about some high profile guys isn't exactly a revelation, is it?

Also, what did you even say about Bridgewater and Bortles? I don't even know what your prediction for them was (I've made the assumption that it was something positive based on the previous posts in the thread)
  
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Posted on 2016-05-27 17:24:03
The guy beating his chest about good QB predictions also said Jameis Winston would be out of the league in 3-5 years.

If you have to beat your chest on an internet message board, I feel sorry for you.
  
 
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