cflames3412 wrote: A general lack of football knowledge being displayed is going to cause me to spontaneously combust

Yeah, you can think that, but you also are the one that suggested johnny football would be an all pro...............so, I see your point

Whoa there I said Johnny football was a lost cause when did I say Hof potential/potential all pro? Johnny hockey on the other hand is Hof guarantee Last edited on 2016-05-26 at 5:04

Gatr22 wrote: cflames3412 wrote: A general lack of football knowledge being displayed is going to cause me to spontaneously combust Yeah, you can think that, but you also are the one that suggested johnny football would be an all pro...............so, I see your point

Dude you express no clue what a zone or power running scheme is. The Dolphins ran a power scheme back when they had incognito and Jerry at guard but have spent the last few years drafting more athletic lineman. Why would you throw away all of the draft picks taken within the past few years to switch back to a scheme that wasn't working in the first place. Why would you draft a player that doesn't fit what your offensive playbook has in it? Why would you draft a player that has the same skill set as your current lead back? What they did is draft a compliment to their lead back. They made the right decision. The Dolphins have done an amazing job only bringing in players that will fit what they want to do with the team. They managed to get one of the best draft steals of the year, while staying true to the needs of their team at the same time. Henry is a decent power back, Brandon Jacobs 2.0. Brandon Jacobs was never a lead back, just like Henry will never be. Brandon Jacobs was never a thousand yard rusher. If I was an offensive coordinator one of the last players I would go out of my way to select would be Henry. He has no versatility whatsoever. His counterpart drake will be a fabulous 3rd down back and change of pace back. Drake will return kicks and make tackles on kick coverage. If Henry was a linebacker is love to have him on my team. But Henry is not a linebacker he is a running back. There are only a handful of teams that he would fit in and they all drafted other running backs that are either more talented or compliment the backs they already have better. The vast majority of nfl teams run a zone scheme because it is more effective in today's nfl.

Gatr22 wrote: Kagemusha wrote: Gatr22 wrote: For you to suggest that Henry is a 'plodder', just means that you didn't watch him much last season. Watch some of his long runs and you will see he is a back that pulls away from dbs, suggesting that his top speed is higher than his 40 time. His long TD run of 74 yards would support this. I look for him to have a pretty good rookie season, much like Gurley last season........who did miss the first 6 games if I remember correctly, before showing his worth. Henry needs to have a long run to build up speed. If you looked at him and not just paid attention to the long run but looked at holes he was running through and quickness acceleration and change of direction skills you could have an idea. He has good top speed (not Chris Johnson-esque but good) but backs dont make their living with top speed. Has poor footwork and poor channge of direction, underlined by bad 20shuttle and 3cone. He is not Gurley by some miles, dont draft him We will agree to disagree and then see how he does. I'm not a big fan of 40 times, 20 shuttle and 3 cone or any other drill you want to run. Pad em up, put a ball in their hands and let's see what they can do on the field in a game situation. I will take a big back that can grab the ball 400 times in a collegiate season or about 30 carries per game with 5.6 yds/carry numbers in the SEC. That's a lot of speedy dbs he is doing that to with his 'poor footwork and poor change of direction'. Touch base with you after the season on this one

I'm a fan of displayed atheticism. If you dont display atheticism neither on the field or on the track probably you dont have. I'm not a fan of 40 times as well, I just use them to combine with short shuttle and 3cone to see how much a guy is a straight line runner.

After all this I watched again some Henry film: The plodder (how strange you take issue with me mocking one of your favorites, I thought you liked mocking :lol has some wheels once he gets started but it's incredible how he always runs in a straight line (sometimes slightly arched when he runs outside). In your beloved 74 yard run he has a hole two-three yards wide and every member of the front 7 is either blocked or out of position. I mean every member. He meets a safety 20 yards downfield and that's it. It's an amazing running play but it is a complete team effort, henry doesnt do anything special.

Disagreeing to agree I would like to know what's your threshold for Henry rookie year, to see if he has a good season or not.

cflames3412 wrote: Gatr22 wrote: cflames3412 wrote: A general lack of football knowledge being displayed is going to cause me to spontaneously combust Yeah, you can think that, but you also are the one that suggested johnny football would be an all pro...............so, I see your point Dude you express no clue what a zone or power running scheme is. The Dolphins ran a power scheme back when they had incognito and Jerry at guard but have spent the last few years drafting more athletic lineman. Why would you throw away all of the draft picks taken within the past few years to switch back to a scheme that wasn't working in the first place. Why would you draft a player that doesn't fit what your offensive playbook has in it? Why would you draft a player that has the same skill set as your current lead back? What they did is draft a compliment to their lead back. They made the right decision. The Dolphins have done an amazing job only bringing in players that will fit what they want to do with the team. They managed to get one of the best draft steals of the year, while staying true to the needs of their team at the same time. Henry is a decent power back, Brandon Jacobs 2.0. Brandon Jacobs was never a lead back, just like Henry will never be. Brandon Jacobs was never a thousand yard rusher. If I was an offensive coordinator one of the last players I would go out of my way to select would be Henry. He has no versatility whatsoever. His counterpart drake will be a fabulous 3rd down back and change of pace back. Drake will return kicks and make tackles on kick coverage. If Henry was a linebacker is love to have him on my team. But Henry is not a linebacker he is a running back. There are only a handful of teams that he would fit in and they all drafted other running backs that are either more talented or compliment the backs they already have better. The vast majority of nfl teams run a zone scheme because it is more effective in today's nfl.

2007-2009 Brandon Jacobs was very much a lead back, including two 1,000 yard seasons (back to back) and helping them to the SB in 2007. He tailed off a bit in 2009 which lead to him being surpassed for the lead role by Bradshaw in 2010 (although they shared the work more at that point and Jacobs still managed over 800y as a backup).

Also, your logic makes no sense; Henry doesn't fit the scheme, but Ajayi does, even though they apparently have the same skill set...? Eh?