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Posted on 2016-05-17 22:26:30
I'd take a Todd Gurley or an Adrian Peterson too and by the way, who was the leading rusher in post season last year? CJ Anderson of the Super Bowl champs. So yeah, you don't need them, but they do come in handy
  

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Posted on 2016-05-17 22:59:49
Gatr22 wrote:

Whammy Business wrote:

I don't think anybody needs a big-time running back. It's the most devalued position in the NFL. There's a reason there have only been a combined six running backs selected in the first round of the last five NFL drafts.

The idea you need a bell cow at running back to be successful or even competitive in the NFL is archaic and not at all in line with what's actually going on in today's game. Below are the leading rushers for the last 10 Super Bowl winners and their rushing totals:

Broncos - Hillman, 863
Patriots - Gray, 412
Seahawks - Lynch, 1,257
Ravens - Rice, 1,143
Giants - Bradshaw, 659
Packers - Jackson, 703
Saints - Thomas, 793
Steelers - Parker, 791
Giants - Jackson, 1,009
Colts - Addai, 1,081

That's a whole bunch of average.



I guess I'm archaic then, but I'd take a big back like Henry still..........so good point. I don't feel like doing the research, but some of those teams from memory shared back duties, which is more and more popular. How many yards did CJ get with Denver last year? I know he was big in the Super Bowl

Indeed, when the QB throws 4000-5000 yards a season, the RB ain't gonna get many yards. Or you have a top 3 defense, the offense stats don't look good.

Jonas Gray of the Patriots for example was the leading rusher for said season. 200 yards came from just one game. But they never had a RB that played more that 5 games that season. Injuries and benchings etc.

The Seahawks and Ravens had bell cow runners leading their offenses. And the rest had top 10 QBs - Manning x2, Brady, Manning x2, Rodgers, Brees, Roethlisberger.

But I could lean towards the 2x Giants wins being balanced offenses.

But yes it is a mixed bag of production from RBs. Then again, Tannehill only provides a mixed bang of production, so maybe a bell cow runner is needed?
  
Malus Darrow
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Posted on 2016-05-17 23:19:29
Gatr22 wrote:

Whammy Business wrote:

I don't think anybody needs a big-time running back. It's the most devalued position in the NFL. There's a reason there have only been a combined six running backs selected in the first round of the last five NFL drafts.

The idea you need a bell cow at running back to be successful or even competitive in the NFL is archaic and not at all in line with what's actually going on in today's game. Below are the leading rushers for the last 10 Super Bowl winners and their rushing totals:

Broncos - Hillman, 863
Patriots - Gray, 412
Seahawks - Lynch, 1,257
Ravens - Rice, 1,143
Giants - Bradshaw, 659
Packers - Jackson, 703
Saints - Thomas, 793
Steelers - Parker, 791
Giants - Jackson, 1,009
Colts - Addai, 1,081

That's a whole bunch of average.



I guess I'm archaic then, but I'd take a big back like Henry still..........so good point. I don't feel like doing the research, but some of those teams from memory shared back duties, which is more and more popular. How many yards did CJ get with Denver last year? I know he was big in the Super Bowl





Broncos - Hillman/Anderson for 1583 yds

Patriots- Vereen/Ridley/Gray for 1143 yds; add Blount's 5 games 281 yds and it's 1424

Seahawks- predominantly Lynch with Wilson as the second leading rusher

Ravens- Pierce/Rice for 1675 (mostly Rice 1143)

Giants- Bradshaw/Jacobs for 1230 yds

Packers- They were all over the place; Rodgers even gained over 300 yds rushing

Saints- Bell/Thomas/Bush for 1837 yds

Steelers- Parker/Moore for 1379

Giants- Derrick Ward/Brandon Jacobs for 1611 yards (mostly Jacobs 1009)

Colts- Addai/Rhodes for 1722 yds (mostly Addai 1081)

It's not so much that bell cow backs are archaic, it's that finding those types of running backs who can do what AP does year in and year out are not easy to find. So, teams stopped trying to find their unicorn back. The "bell cow" back yardage is still there and very much needed, but it comes in the form of committees these days or in the form of guys like Matt Forte who get those total yards running and catching. It's not archaic; it's just hard to find the single running back on the team who can do it. Saying that having a dominant running back is archaic is like saying using defense to wins championships is archaic because of how well the passing game works these days. The Broncos didn't get to that Super Bowl on the legs of a great running game, sure, but they didn't do it on a great passing game either. They won it with defense. The Seahawks won with defense and running; had Pete Carroll chosen to be archaic for one more play in 2014/2015, he'd probably be a 2-time Super Bowl champ. Nothing in the NFL is archaic if you have the right players and the right coach to make it work. If they had a running back who could give them 4.9 yds per carry as AP has done throughout his career, there's not a coach in the league who wouldn't give him 20 carries a game just because that style is archaic. Controlling the clock in the game of football will never be archaic and the best way of doing that is successfully running the ball.Last edited on 2016-05-18 at 0:19
  
Malus Darrow
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Posted on 2016-05-17 23:38:24
As a Dolphins fan, the last several years have taught me to be thankful.... for the fact that fantasy football exists and I have something to cheer for where I might see success during the NFL season.
  
cflames3412
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Posted on 2016-05-18 0:06:35
Malus Darrow wrote:

As a Dolphins fan, the last several years have taught me to be thankful.... for the fact that fantasy football exists and I have something to cheer for where I might see success during the NFL season.



Amen, maybe the Dolphins aren't that good but I know I'm good at fantasy
  
Whammy Business
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Posted on 2016-05-18 0:21:36
Gatr22 wrote:

I'd take a Todd Gurley or an Adrian Peterson too and by the way, who was the leading rusher in post season last year? CJ Anderson of the Super Bowl champs. So yeah, you don't need them, but they do come in handy




CJ Anderson ran for an average of 78 yards/game and scored two total touchdowns in three playoff games. That's hardly dominant.

The fact CJ Anderson was the leading rusher in the postseason is irrelevant. Half the guys in the postseason only play one game. His title of leading postseason rusher is almost as irrelevant as Derrick Henry's status as a former Heisman Trophy winner as it relates to his future success. But I'm sure you'll continue to beat both drums because they fit your narrative that's based on nothing close to objective stats.
  
paulo187
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Posted on 2016-05-18 0:24:19
Got my plan in place for fantasy already.

Seeing as whoever I pick gets injured anyway, I'm just going to pick as many Steelers and Bengals players and hope I can sabotage the actual season as well as my efforts at fantasy...
  
Whammy Business
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Posted on 2016-05-18 0:24:46
Malus Darrow wrote:

Saying that having a dominant running back is archaic...



That's not what I said. What I said was the assertion that you need one to be successful is archaic.
  
paulo187
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Posted on 2016-05-18 0:27:19
Whammy Business wrote:

Gatr22 wrote:

I'd take a Todd Gurley or an Adrian Peterson too and by the way, who was the leading rusher in post season last year? CJ Anderson of the Super Bowl champs. So yeah, you don't need them, but they do come in handy




CJ Anderson ran for an average of 78 yards/game and scored two total touchdowns in three playoff games. That's hardly dominant.

The fact CJ Anderson was the leading rusher in the postseason is irrelevant. Half the guys in the postseason only play one game. His title of leading postseason rusher is almost as irrelevant as Derrick Henry's status as a former Heisman Trophy winner as it relates to his future success. But I'm sure you'll continue to beat both drums because they fit your narrative that's based on nothing close to objective stats.



To be fair he was also the 2nd highest YPG rusher (behind Alfred Blue's single 99y game), so it's not like he got to the top through more games (well, he did for total yards obviously) but he was also one of the best backs per carry.
  
paulo187
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Posted on 2016-05-18 0:32:42
projectrracing wrote:

Tannehill only provides a mixed bang of production, so maybe a bell cow runner is needed?



Tannehill's abilities aside, this should be the way of looking at things for any team; if your QB isn't elite, you need an elite RB to take the pressure off him. I think the problem for a lot of teams (as referenced earlier in this thread with the talks over the Bears and Dolphins) is that a lot of teams believe their mediocre QBs to be elite, or capable of suddenly becoming elite next season.
  
 
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