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Posted on 2016-05-18 0:56:50
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I'd take a Todd Gurley or an Adrian Peterson too and by the way, who was the leading rusher in post season last year? CJ Anderson of the Super Bowl champs. So yeah, you don't need them, but they do come in handy




CJ Anderson ran for an average of 78 yards/game and scored two total touchdowns in three playoff games. That's hardly dominant.

The fact CJ Anderson was the leading rusher in the postseason is irrelevant. Half the guys in the postseason only play one game. His title of leading postseason rusher is almost as irrelevant as Derrick Henry's status as a former Heisman Trophy winner as it relates to his future success. But I'm sure you'll continue to beat both drums because they fit your narrative that's based on nothing close to objective stats.



You are funny with your digs over and over. I have no narrative in this thread other than Miami did not do very well overall in the draft. All the rest are just opinions. I think the post above that substantiates spreading the load for RBs is more and more common. RBs take a pounding in the NFL and so my point that a tough and seasoned Henry would have been a better fit for the Dolphins than a back up, injury proned drake. I am archaic, but a good balanced and solid running attack does still work in the NFL and if you can get that in one back, like a Gurley, whom I praised prior to last season and was blessed to have picked up on my fantasy team, then you should go for it
  

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Posted on 2016-05-18 0:58:11
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To be fair he was also the 2nd highest YPG rusher (behind Alfred Blue's single 99y game), so it's not like he got to the top through more games (well, he did for total yards obviously) but he was also one of the best backs per carry.



He got to the top by getting more attempts per game than any other running back in the playoffs not named Adrian Peterson. Last edited on 2016-05-18 at 1:05
  
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Posted on 2016-05-18 1:05:35
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Tannehill only provides a mixed bang of production, so maybe a bell cow runner is needed?



Tannehill's abilities aside, this should be the way of looking at things for any team; if your QB isn't elite, you need an elite RB to take the pressure off him. I think the problem for a lot of teams (as referenced earlier in this thread with the talks over the Bears and Dolphins) is that a lot of teams believe their mediocre QBs to be elite, or capable of suddenly becoming elite next season.



It may just be that reading the speed of the NFL is just so hard, that few very good QBs are willing to put in the time or have that extra 'what' to be elite at this level. So fans and scouts alike keep thinking they will figure it out and they either die waiting for support (RBs, OL, WRs) to join the team and help take the load off a bit or they don't have the extra work ethic to take it up a notch like a Brady, Wilson or Manning (pre-loss of physical ability). We are left with 10-12 great QB's and another 20 teams or so dreaming that their guy will miraculously get there, but no clue on how to support them properly
  

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Posted on 2016-05-18 10:31:12
Whammy Business wrote:

paulo187 wrote:

To be fair he was also the 2nd highest YPG rusher (behind Alfred Blue's single 99y game), so it's not like he got to the top through more games (well, he did for total yards obviously) but he was also one of the best backs per carry.



He got to the top by getting more attempts per game than any other running back in the playoffs not named Adrian Peterson.



Out of the actual RBs in the post season who had at least double digit carries (so ignoring WRs with rushing attempts and the single carry RBs) he was 6th best in YPC at 4.3. Regardless of how many carries he got, he still produced decent numbers, but I guess that also doesn't fit with your point about RBs so just ignore that too. Probably say something about rushing QBs next and how Wilson and Rodgers got more YPC.

Also, FYI, AP had a YPC in the post season of 2.0, so more carries doesn't equal more yards (although I'd still take AP over CJ Anderson lol)
  
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Posted on 2016-05-18 11:01:46
paulo187 wrote:

projectrracing wrote:

Tannehill only provides a mixed bang of production, so maybe a bell cow runner is needed?



Tannehill's abilities aside, this should be the way of looking at things for any team; if your QB isn't elite, you need an elite RB to take the pressure off him. I think the problem for a lot of teams (as referenced earlier in this thread with the talks over the Bears and Dolphins) is that a lot of teams believe their mediocre QBs to be elite, or capable of suddenly becoming elite next season.



You need an elite defense to take the pressure off of him.

Seriously the main indicators of success are pass offense and pass defense. The running game is much less important (though all else equal I would like a good RB).

Running down the clock is useful and having a good running back to grab 1st downs now and then is important. It isn't critical though and if I had a mediocre QB I improve a lot of positions before I bothered with RB. They help with close games which if you want to win a superbowl you do need to win but to be in with a shot of winning the game at all you need to pass and stop the pass. Successful teams run a lot because they are winning (and are winding down the clock). They don't win because they rush.

Lynch could have won the superbowl for the Seahawks vs the Pats but they were in that match because of Sherman and co.
  

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Posted on 2016-05-18 11:36:30
depending on where they pick in next years draft id be all for a runningback in round one or two, most likely two because next years draft has a lot of good players going in round one
  
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Posted on 2016-05-18 13:21:57
paulo187 wrote:

Whammy Business wrote:

paulo187 wrote:

To be fair he was also the 2nd highest YPG rusher (behind Alfred Blue's single 99y game), so it's not like he got to the top through more games (well, he did for total yards obviously) but he was also one of the best backs per carry.



He got to the top by getting more attempts per game than any other running back in the playoffs not named Adrian Peterson.



Out of the actual RBs in the post season who had at least double digit carries (so ignoring WRs with rushing attempts and the single carry RBs) he was 6th best in YPC at 4.3. Regardless of how many carries he got, he still produced decent numbers, but I guess that also doesn't fit with your point about RBs so just ignore that too. Probably say something about rushing QBs next and how Wilson and Rodgers got more YPC.

Also, FYI, AP had a YPC in the post season of 2.0, so more carries doesn't equal more yards (although I'd still take AP over CJ Anderson lol)



The fact that CJ anderson had a good postseason backs up Whammy point: you dont need an elite RB to have good, efficient, championship caliber rushing totals.

CJ Anderson is an average player, has an average contract and for all his postseason heroics the Broncos initially offered him a 1 million contract. AFter Miami offer he is on the books for 4 years/18 millions, hardly a record setting contract.
  
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Posted on 2016-05-18 14:42:58
Kagemusha wrote:

paulo187 wrote:

Whammy Business wrote:

paulo187 wrote:

To be fair he was also the 2nd highest YPG rusher (behind Alfred Blue's single 99y game), so it's not like he got to the top through more games (well, he did for total yards obviously) but he was also one of the best backs per carry.



He got to the top by getting more attempts per game than any other running back in the playoffs not named Adrian Peterson.



Out of the actual RBs in the post season who had at least double digit carries (so ignoring WRs with rushing attempts and the single carry RBs) he was 6th best in YPC at 4.3. Regardless of how many carries he got, he still produced decent numbers, but I guess that also doesn't fit with your point about RBs so just ignore that too. Probably say something about rushing QBs next and how Wilson and Rodgers got more YPC.

Also, FYI, AP had a YPC in the post season of 2.0, so more carries doesn't equal more yards (although I'd still take AP over CJ Anderson lol)



The fact that CJ anderson had a good postseason backs up Whammy point: you dont need an elite RB to have good, efficient, championship caliber rushing totals.

CJ Anderson is an average player, has an average contract and for all his postseason heroics the Broncos initially offered him a 1 million contract. AFter Miami offer he is on the books for 4 years/18 millions, hardly a record setting contract.



CJ and Hillman, both 'average' players.................................with a Super Bowl title! I'd take the pair on my team. I think the balance does win championships and every one of those teams for the past 10 super bowls show that the combined efforts of the running games for each team was not only productive throughout the season, but integral in winning the Super Bowl. If the Seahawks didn't try to show their RB up by passing instead of getting the free yardage they were getting in the running game, they would have won. So they kind of Lynched themselves there. Everyone else, experts included, said they should have run the ball...........how odd, given this discussion, lmao. All this won't change the fact that you have a QB that isn't good enough to get them there without all the supporting parts (i.e. defense, O-line, running game). They added very little to their supporting parts and therefore, not such a good draft. Tannebomb will not be on my draft list come fantasy season, neither will Cutler.
  

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Posted on 2016-05-18 15:56:23
Gatr22 wrote:

Kagemusha wrote:

paulo187 wrote:

Whammy Business wrote:

paulo187 wrote:

To be fair he was also the 2nd highest YPG rusher (behind Alfred Blue's single 99y game), so it's not like he got to the top through more games (well, he did for total yards obviously) but he was also one of the best backs per carry.



He got to the top by getting more attempts per game than any other running back in the playoffs not named Adrian Peterson.



Out of the actual RBs in the post season who had at least double digit carries (so ignoring WRs with rushing attempts and the single carry RBs) he was 6th best in YPC at 4.3. Regardless of how many carries he got, he still produced decent numbers, but I guess that also doesn't fit with your point about RBs so just ignore that too. Probably say something about rushing QBs next and how Wilson and Rodgers got more YPC.

Also, FYI, AP had a YPC in the post season of 2.0, so more carries doesn't equal more yards (although I'd still take AP over CJ Anderson lol)



The fact that CJ anderson had a good postseason backs up Whammy point: you dont need an elite RB to have good, efficient, championship caliber rushing totals.

CJ Anderson is an average player, has an average contract and for all his postseason heroics the Broncos initially offered him a 1 million contract. AFter Miami offer he is on the books for 4 years/18 millions, hardly a record setting contract.



CJ and Hillman, both 'average' players.................................with a Super Bowl title!



Exactly! So why bother drafting a rb high when average talents can get the job done?
  
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Exactly! So why bother drafting a rb high when average talents can get the job done?



Um, because I was being sarcastic. They are both above average backs in my opinion, just not dominant enough to be the only back...........like an AP or a Gurley, which is why they share duties and were still productive and eventual Super Bowl champs. We aren't talking about drafting a rb high, the 2nd round is perfectly fine to grab a great talent at this position and Miami failed to do so, instead they settle for an injury proned, unproven back up in the 3rd, which did nothing to improve them. Doesn't matter anyway, because like Chicago, Miami continues to settle for an average talent at QB
  

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