Kagemusha wrote: Project I remind you the only scheme fit Miami went after is the second round CB. They drafted always their best players available and ignored needs.

If that were true. Then Derrick Henry would be on the team. Go back 2-3 pages of conversation and see were the current line of conversation started from. Best available vs scheme.

paulo187 wrote: projectrracing wrote: Andy Dalton 255/386 66.1% 3250yrds 8.4ptt 250.0ypg 25td 7int 1471st Alex Smith 307/470 65.3% 3486yrds 7.4ptt 217.9ypg 20td 7int 1541st From here onwards, this is the stuff media and commentators don't care about... Also Smith's rushing 84att 498yrds 5.2avg 2td 301st Add Alex Smiths 4 fumbles for zero losses. Can Newton had 5 fumbles and 4 losses for a comparison. Smith had 184 of the teams 303 1st downs. 60.7%? Yes Smith puts up middle of the pack passing numbers. But whom would with 1.5 recievers to pass it to? Its the other stuff he does so well. Very little turnovers. And also the amount of 1st downs using his feet. Cam also scored 10 rushing TDs, had 636 rushing yards, 3837 passing yards, 35 passing TDs and 10 INTs. Baring the 3 extra INTs Smith's numbers aren't anything like a comparison so picking one of the few stats that he bests Cam is a bit of a long shot; are you a lawyer by any chance? Or a journalist maybe? Also regarding WRs, when Ted Ginn Jr is your best WR to go alongside Olsen at TE then you have 1 pass catcher worth his salt and that's Olsen. Maclin and Kelce, however, I'd say were more of a 2 than a 1.5 (although not world beaters in their own rights)

Yeah I'm not saying Smith is a world beater. Nor is he elite. Nor I'm pretty sure I haven't suggested either. But ranking him somewhere around 13-16th best QB in the game I'm happy to do.

The point was that in an attempt to suggest below par QBs like Tannefail (ie not top 16 QBs) only need a good defense behind them to succeed. That is wrong. Cos other than Houston, whom got a free ride into the playoffs dues to strength of division. QBs like Smith, Bridgewater etc still had to get the job done, at a higher than normal level. Then other QBs like Taylor and Fitz (middle packers) still got the job done and didn't make the playoffs, (albiet just).

Tannehill is below middle pack and the defense is also below middle pack. The defense will need to become very-very-very good to carry Tannehill info the playoffs, which the previous draft and free agency didn't deliver on. And Tannehill will need to play better also, at middle of the pack level at a minimum. And no Chicago 6 win season based scheme is gonna help them. They need better players.

projectrracing wrote: paulo187 wrote: projectrracing wrote: Andy Dalton 255/386 66.1% 3250yrds 8.4ptt 250.0ypg 25td 7int 1471st Alex Smith 307/470 65.3% 3486yrds 7.4ptt 217.9ypg 20td 7int 1541st From here onwards, this is the stuff media and commentators don't care about... Also Smith's rushing 84att 498yrds 5.2avg 2td 301st Add Alex Smiths 4 fumbles for zero losses. Can Newton had 5 fumbles and 4 losses for a comparison. Smith had 184 of the teams 303 1st downs. 60.7%? Yes Smith puts up middle of the pack passing numbers. But whom would with 1.5 recievers to pass it to? Its the other stuff he does so well. Very little turnovers. And also the amount of 1st downs using his feet. Cam also scored 10 rushing TDs, had 636 rushing yards, 3837 passing yards, 35 passing TDs and 10 INTs. Baring the 3 extra INTs Smith's numbers aren't anything like a comparison so picking one of the few stats that he bests Cam is a bit of a long shot; are you a lawyer by any chance? Or a journalist maybe? Also regarding WRs, when Ted Ginn Jr is your best WR to go alongside Olsen at TE then you have 1 pass catcher worth his salt and that's Olsen. Maclin and Kelce, however, I'd say were more of a 2 than a 1.5 (although not world beaters in their own rights) Yeah I'm not saying Smith is a world beater. Nor is he elite. Nor I'm pretty sure I haven't suggested either. But ranking him somewhere around 13-16th best QB in the game I'm happy to do. The point was that in an attempt to suggest below par QBs like Tannefail (ie not top 16 QBs) only need a good defense behind them to succeed. That is wrong. Cos other than Houston, whom got a free ride into the playoffs dues to strength of division. QBs like Smith, Bridgewater etc still had to get the job done, at a higher than normal level. Then other QBs like Taylor and Fitz (middle packers) still got the job done and didn't make the playoffs, (albiet just). Tannehill is below middle pack and the defense is also below middle pack. The defense will need to become very-very-very good to carry Tannehill info the playoffs, which the previous draft and free agency didn't deliver on. And Tannehill will need to play better also, at middle of the pack level at a minimum. And no Chicago 6 win season based scheme is gonna help them. They need better players.

This pretty much sums it up and now they will go play another season and both Chicago and Miami will still end up wondering what the hell happened and how both their QB's just need another chance and then everyone will see. But even a great defense can't guarantee to help these guys out, in 2014 and 2013 the Bears defense was #3 in the league and they finished 5-11 and 8-8 respectively. Need to bring back Sid Luckman

projectrracing wrote: Kagemusha wrote: Project I remind you the only scheme fit Miami went after is the second round CB. They drafted always their best players available and ignored needs. If that were true. Then Derrick Henry would be on the team. Go back 2-3 pages of conversation and see were the current line of conversation started from. Best available vs scheme.

Only need pick was the 2nd rounder, the cb. Henry went before our 3rd rounder where we picked the rb.
Btw best player status for henry at that point is at least debatable and personallly I think Henry has a very good chance of being a bust, like many fellow heisman winners

Gatr22 wrote: Kagemusha wrote: projectrracing wrote: Kagemusha wrote: Project I remind you the only scheme fit Miami went after is the second round CB. They drafted always their best players available and ignored needs. If that were true. Then Derrick Henry would be on the team. Go back 2-3 pages of conversation and see were the current line of conversation started from. Best available vs scheme. Only need pick was the 2nd rounder, the cb. Henry went before our 3rd rounder where we picked the rb. Btw best player status for henry at that point is at least debatable and personallly I think Henry has a very good chance of being a bust, like many fellow heisman winners You are correct there are many busts, but there are also many great legends. Curious why you would suggest Henry might be a bust? Drake was the injury prone back in college with a broken leg and broken arm. Plus, Henry can be an every down back if he proves his receiving abilities. He certainly had the carries in the tough SEC to prove his worth. I see your point if he wasn't available, but I think Henry is a great pick up in the 2nd round and if you can snag a Heisman Trophy winner that deep, then it's a no brainer. Who do you think was better than Henry? Maybe Fournette out of LSU, but he will likely go next season and Henry had the better match up when they played last season and it wasn't even close. Fournette finished with 19 carries for 31 yards, while Henry finished with 38 carries for 210 yards and 3 TDs. That game sealed my impression of Henry in big games

Everyone talked about Henry not being able to beat defenders in the open field, he is a guy that will just throw himself at the defenders instead of juking around them. After watching some tape I agreed with that, also drake averaged 7 yards per touch in college.