Kagemusha wrote: I love how Gatr blames Cutler for being out of Vandy, like if Vandy is a major disease for a QB. Cutler is nothing more than average, has never been able to put it all together, i agree with that, but it doesnt have nothing to do with the college he played in. Brees played college ball at Purdue and will be in the hall of fame.

Wow, Vandy fan, I guess. Nothing personal, but Vandy is in the SEC. I get to see Vandy play the Gators every season, because they reside in the SEC East. I'm very familiar with players that come out of the SEC and Vandy is normally the bottom rung on the SEC ladder, when it comes to football. The mere fact that Cutler came out of Vandy and has made a living in the NFL is a huge compliment. However, as you have already stated, he is nothing more than an average QB in the NFL. He was pretty decent in college, but then again, there are lines and lines of decent college QBs that just can't cut it for 16 games per season in the NFL. When you end up at Vandy in the SEC, it usually means all the other SEC teams passed you up. Hard pill to swallow, but that's just the facts. Sure there are some athletes that want to go to Vandy, but the majority go there with chips on their shoulders and generally give other teams a game on Saturdays because of it. Even so, they don't normally finish above .500. Again, nothing personal toward Vandy, but my references were accurate for their reputation as a football school or lack thereof.

Regarding the Bears receivers, tight ends and running backs, they are good enough to do better than 6-10, if they could consistently protect the QB and then deliver the ball without bouncing the pass to them or overthrowing by 5 feet! They have a lot of speed and talent there, which I've already named. You're entitled to your opinion, but being a long time Bears fan, last season they were loaded with young talent that didn't get used. Even Royal was not used effectively and he was basically the veteran. Problem is, there just aren't that many great QB's to go around in the NFL, so teams stick guys like Cutler or tannebomb hoping they will get to the next level. It just doesn't happen often, but hey, we get another season of hoping. If you're great, you will sparkle within 2-3 seasons in the NFL. Average QB's in the NFL are a dime a dozen and they sparkle every so often to keep folks hoping, just not week in and week out. That's just enough to journey around the league for a career without really accomplishing anything

Gatr22 wrote: Regarding the Bears receivers, tight ends and running backs, they are good enough to do better than 6-10, if they could consistently protect the QB and then deliver the ball without bouncing the pass to them or overthrowing by 5 feet! They have a lot of speed and talent there, which I've already named. You're entitled to your opinion, but being a long time Bears fan, last season they were loaded with young talent that didn't get used. Even Royal was not used effectively and he was basically the veteran.

Chicago's top four wide receivers (Alshon Jeffery, Kevin White, Eddie Royal and Marquess Wilson) missed a combined 35 of 64 games. Jeffery never played four consecutive games in 2015. Without the four, the Bears relied on Marc Mariani, Joshua Bellamy, Cameron Meredith and Deonte Thompson. Tight ends Martellus Bennett and Zach Miller also suffered injuries that led to them missing game. Their second best weapon in the passing game (Forte) also missed time.

I think their WRs already were below average, and the injuries made them bottom 3 in the league. Their RBs are probably above average and their TEs slightly above average. Plus average QB and below average defense, I think 6-10 was a decent result for them.

Cutler definitely is not a top 10 QB, but it is too easy to put all the blame on him for last season. He did not have much help and he produced his best season in three years. I agree that the Bears will never go to the superbowl with Cutler, but the rest of the team is not ready for it yet.

Interesting. Let see if I got this right...

1. Miami didnt go for the best players, they went with players to suit a scheme.

2. Said scheme is so good, but only netted 6 wins from other team due to not having best playesr.

So no one has best players? But expect better results?

Kagemusha wrote: Gatr22 wrote: Kagemusha wrote: I love how Gatr blames Cutler for being out of Vandy, like if Vandy is a major disease for a QB. Cutler is nothing more than average, has never been able to put it all together, i agree with that, but it doesnt have nothing to do with the college he played in. Brees played college ball at Purdue and will be in the hall of fame. Wow, Vandy fan, I guess. Nothing personal, but Vandy is in the SEC. I get to see Vandy play the Gators every season, because they reside in the SEC East. I'm very familiar with players that come out of the SEC and Vandy is normally the bottom rung on the SEC ladder, when it comes to football. I couldnt care less about Vandy. I know they are the SEC's bottom feeders but I think it's funny you think him being from Vanderbilt is a precise indicator of his value as a player. Like it never happened that very good NFL players came from low level college programs. He is still a better NFL QB than any guy out of Bama or Florida or LSU the last 15 years .

Grossman at least took the Bears to the Super Bowl. My reference to Vandy was also the fact that I had seen him play at the college level and already knew a lot about how he played at that level. Shoot, even Tebow got to the playoffs and beat Pittsburgh. Vandy is a bottom feeder, but the fact that I got to see him in college was the main reason for the reference

FYI Kevin White was their 1st round pick last year, but injured himself in training camp and was out for the whole season