Emeraldfin wrote: Gatr22 wrote: Emeraldfin wrote: Defense was a horror show in the first half. And that was against a Pats side missing Brady and Gronk. Say what you want about Tannehill, but that loss was on the defense. Did you even watch the 1st half? Yes, the defense was picked apart, but tannehill had a half dozen overthrows, not just a few feet either. On several throws, the announcers had no idea who he was even throwing to. The entire first half was a horror show on both sides of the ball Watch the first half again and tell me how much time he had to throw? How well did the running game go? Who on that offense played well? That Pats offense, had three rookies on the interior O-Line, no Brady and no Gronk. All the money sunk into the Miami D-Line and they couldn't get near Garoppolo or stop the running game. They got shredded. But of course, that's all Ryan Tannehill's fault.

I don't believe I've ever said it's all his fault. I'm just over the tannehill parade. We're on season 5 for this guy and he still is just okay, as others have said. I counted at least 4 overthrows in the 1st half, but you're right, the entire team stunk it up in the 1st half. It's do or die time this season as far as I'm concerned and he's 0-2. After the 2nd half this past weekend, he's superman again. All I want to see is several complete games, along with wins of course, otherwise it's painfully predictable and heading for an 8-8 seasonLast edited on 2016-09-20 at 3:10

paulo187 wrote: Gatr22 wrote: paulo187 wrote: Gatr22 wrote: So funny, so far overthrown....'Tannehill, over the middle, to nobody'. Actual telecast during the second quarter For someone who was complaining about one-sided stories in another thread, this is just BS! If you actually watch the play in question and don't just take the wording of the commentator as "Tannehill was crap" you'll see the WR get run into by a DE dropping into coverage. If he wasn't in the way of the route it would've been on the mark. Most of his incomplete passes are also just drops by the WR; quite a few in the first half were hitting the guys in both hands and they were either out and out dropping it or the defense were making plays and knocking the ball out. Hardly Tannehill's fault I disagree and that's okay. haha! what are you disagreeing with? the truth? living in your own little bubble world over there...

I disagree and that's okay. Here's a summary of tannehill in the 1st half 'from my little bubble':
1st Quarter
9:47 12 yard overthrow
9:42 pass to back shoulder of receiver going across the middle, could have been caught
5:08 sneak fails, wasn't ready for the snap
2nd quarter
11:44 overthrow, nearly intercepted, should have been
9:23 floated the ball too much, allowed safety to close down and break up play
8:56 ball snapped, tannehill not looking, granted probably center's fault
5:58 overthrow by 15 yards
1:51 Int right to Collins, receiver was well behind him
:49 thrown to inside instead of outside shoulder
:11 overthrows Landry wide for TD, settle for FG

2nd half, he looked like superman. This is the game I watched, no big deal, you saw it differently

Gatr22 wrote: projectrracing wrote: The last INT ins't really a problem. A hail mary always has a chance of an INT. I loved his big run on the final drive where he drop the shoulder and put a defender on his bum. The Tannehill-Landry connection is really work well. Not much else though is working for the Dolphins. That defense really needs to show some heart/carefactor. I wouldn't call a 30 yard pass a hail mary,

If you say so. But they had one play left. Needed a TD. 9 defenders back up into the endzone. 5 recievers all run at the endzone. IT was a all or nothing attempt. I call that a hail mary. 5 vs 9 never works 99% of the time. Hence me calling his last INT a non event.

projectrracing wrote: Gatr22 wrote: projectrracing wrote: The last INT ins't really a problem. A hail mary always has a chance of an INT. I loved his big run on the final drive where he drop the shoulder and put a defender on his bum. The Tannehill-Landry connection is really work well. Not much else though is working for the Dolphins. That defense really needs to show some heart/carefactor. I wouldn't call a 30 yard pass a hail mary, If you say so. But they had one play left. Needed a TD. 9 defenders back up into the endzone. 5 recievers all run at the endzone. IT was a all or nothing attempt. I call that a hail mary. 5 vs 9 never works 99% of the time. Hence me calling his last INT a non event.

Opinions. In my opinion that was a run with a long forward handoff.

On a more serious note I wondered if they could have tried a ten yard out to stop the clock and having a shorter field to go with a despereation throw, but it's hard to tell if it was an option

Tannehill's career stats

Career (2012-2016)
Completion Percentage: 62.0
Passing Yards: 16,035
Touchdowns: 89
Interceptions: 56
Passer Rating: 85.3

These are good. However, over the last three years it's only been good enough to be the 10th rated quarterback in the league out of 75 eligible players. Now that being considered.. lets take a look at the star players around him over the last two to three years and their performance before and after Tannehill is included in the mix. I won't do many, and I won't bias myself against Tannehill by choosing the worst performers.

Jordan Cameron TE 35 catches for 386 yards and 3 TD in 2015 - 16 games with Miami
Jordan Cameron TE 24 catches for 424 yards and 2 TD in 2014 - 10 games with Cleveland

So in Jordan's case he needed six fewer games to achieve his yardage and was on track to match his TD total in Cleveland.

Mike Wallace WR 179 catches for 2265 yards and 17 TD between 2013 and 2015 - 48 games Miami.
Mike Wallace WR 196 catches for 2286 yards and 26 TD between 2010 and 2012 - 47 games Pitt.

So while the catches and yards are similar, you've got 45% more TDs in Pitt than Miami on a receiver that most think is rather good during the time period surveyed.. lets look at targets. With Miami, Wallace had 327 targets to get those stats. In Pitt, he was targeted 331 times.. again very similar.

So you're looking at a scheme issue or a talent issue at QB. We all know that Miami has purged the coaching staff a few times, and ownership has tried to surround Tannehill with good players. (Wallace and Cameron are only two examples)

Cleveland is Cleveland so I'm going to compare Ben Roethlisberger and Ryan Tannehill very briefly and summarize more stats from Pro Football Talk.

Tannehill's highest passer rank in the last few years is 9th. Average is 10th (9,11,9)
Roethisberger's highest passer rank in the last few years is 1st. Average is 8th (9,1,14)

Ben's got some injury time in there, but average performance is not 45% better than Tannehill.

The reason why we're debating Tannehill is because he's the strict definition of NFL mediocrity at his position on a team that's the strict definition of waste. Since the team has changed staff and built around him, the only piece that's left is him. Personally, my opinion is that he's not smart enough to leverage his pieces the way a top 5 QB does and his staff changes too much to give him the comfort he needs to offset smarts with familiarity.

For the record, that's also my exact opinion of what would have happened to Tom Brady if he ended up in Miami instead of NE. It's clear to me he's about as polished as a bag of a-holes when left to improvise. (see deflategate interviews) It's the culture in NE that made him what he is. (Note, I didn't say system.)

Clearly Brady works hard and is committed to make up for lack of talent, in the right, stable place to play.

Clearly Tannehill is talented lacks stability and plays in the wrong place to let his comfort make up for the lack of improvisational smarts.