cflames3412 wrote: Either way te point of the hockey post is that coaches in every sport(I know for sure football and hockey as those I play) preach aggressiveness

But there's a huge difference between aggressiveness and playing fairly, and hurting people on purpose, and that's what you don't seem to get. either that or you're just trying to be a hard man on the internet

you find me any coach that tells their players to go and hurt and injure people on purpose and you'll find a coach that is afraid he and his team aren't good enough to win fairly

Suh's big money isn't for dirty plays. It is to make tackles and sacks. He has done little of the later. If the Dolphins wanted a dirty player, they could find any chump on a rookie $110K contact. Suh's dirty plays don't interest me. Nor is it of any importance in the large scheme of things. His tackles and sacks are important. Or lack there of from a $112M 6 year contacted player.

But again, Suh isn't the only problem. There are a lot of big contact players on both sides of the ball not earning their keep. They now have a HC to put them all in their place. Hopefully now they play to their potentials.

philiom wrote: paulo187 wrote: cflames3412 wrote: Either way te point of the hockey post is that coaches in every sport(I know for sure football and hockey as those I play) preach aggressiveness But there's a huge difference between aggressiveness and playing fairly, and hurting people on purpose, and that's what you don't seem to get. either that or you're just trying to be a hard man on the internet you find me any coach that tells their players to go and hurt and injure people on purpose and you'll find a coach that is afraid he and his team aren't good enough to win fairly Saints' defensive coach anyone?!?!?!?!?! Was it Williams???

That's the only one I could think of off the top of my head, and yes, it was Williams that apparently created the scheme and Payton and Loomis who covered it up

paulo187 wrote: cflames3412 wrote: projectrracing wrote: Gatr22 wrote: paulo187 wrote: cflames3412 wrote: If you think suh should be kicked out if the league before Greg hardy you may have a mental disability Who even mentioned Greg Hardy or any kind of ranking of dirty players with Suh at the top? It's hard to say...........either flames mentioned it first or all people "who may have a mental disability" thought of it, but didn't write it in this thread. Take your pick You all missed it in the game tapes! Go and watch some game tapes. Neither suh or hardy will be kicked out of the nfl, that's just fact. But you guys say suh is an absolute abomination to the sport or some shit, yet there are people with actual problems that in some ways actually should be kicked out of the league, off field or on field. Suh isn't that big of a problem, but everything he does will be blown out of proportion because he is getting paid. only gatr said anything along those lines, really. you should learn to read all of the posts and not just tar everyone with the same brush because it suits your failing point of view. everyone, including gatr with his point of view, knows that nobody is going to get kicked out of the league, especially for something like stamping on a guy on the ground mid match. even ray rice didn't get kicked out of the league (by the league itself) and he got caught on camera punching his mrs and dragging her around by her hair. the only reason he isnt playing still is that teams dont want the bad press, not the league. all the league wants is money and that's why nobody will get kicked out of anywhere any time soon but i dont think anyone hear is naive enough to think otherwise. your last point is correct though, people will make a bigger deal of him doing things like that because of the money; that's just modern day life and media, get used to it. people expect more of people being paid more, that's generally why they're getting paid more in the first place. just imagine if the jags had been deflating balls and still getting panned every week; nobody would care. but because brady and the patriots did it and won the SB, it's a whole shit storm that the media feed on. the jags doing something doesn't make anyone bat an eyelid, the pats and brady do, same goes for suh and his huge pile of money.

Yes, I generally agree with this post. It's my opinion Suh is a thug and I don't respect him. Big deal, every fan is entitled to their opinion. Both he and his team are underperforming in a major way. If I were the commish, then I simply indicated how I would clean up the league. I could care less about the money side, which is all the NFL really cares about. The fines for Suh and most other NFL players are a joke and not a deterrent. They are just a way for the NFL to feel good for a moment. I have played sports all my life, soccer in college and semi pro for 8 years, minus one year with a broken leg. Flames, you crack me up, but I was your age once, so have at it. You can have your opinion, but it won't help the lolphins, they need some leaders (on the field) to step up. Suh is one of several players that could do this, time will tell, but at the jack he is making, one would expect him to stomp a few of his own players and get them ready to play

paulo187 wrote: you find me any coach that tells their players to go and hurt and injure people on purpose and you'll find a coach that is afraid he and his team aren't good enough to win fairly

But there's a flip side to this coin for contact sport.

You show me a coach that tells his players to go out and make a point of hurting no one and I'll show you a team that'll be 0-16 for sure!

Rule #1 - Play good football
Rule #2 - part of rule #1 is scaring the shit out of people

There is plenty to be said for putting a superstar on an opposing team on a stretcher! Or at least scaring the confidence out of them - it's what contact sport is all about.