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projectrracing
Posts: 7952
Posted on 2012-04-13 1:06:48
hosh13 wrote:

hosh13 wrote:

Had a friendly last monday - home team had 55,000 seat stadium and was a Div 2 team and I am div 3 - only got 9251 fans.

So some math -

I got $74,615 from this as the away team.

Tickets were half price so that would normally be approx $150,000.

so if he has built all the VIPs and Execs then

3500 * $110 = $385,000
5751 * $60 = $345,060

So that should have been $730,060

So it looks like 50% (half price tickets) and then about 1 fifth i.e. about one tenth overall.

Now if we work backwards from a more normal situation with a normal crowd -

5 * 9251 = 46,255 (about what such a match would have expected with a div 3 team)

3500 * $110 = $385,000
9000 * $60 = $540,000
33755 * $20 = $675,100

Total - $1,600,100

So $1,600,100 / $74,615 = 21.4

I'm lost.

Is there less money if you're the away team?

Anyway, friendlys give you free cash, bpos and exp so................

You looking at it all wrong. 9251 is spread across all seating types. so of 9251 of 55,000 is 16%, so only 16% of the VIP seats were filled, 16% of the EXEC seats were filled and 16% of the normal seats were filled. The higher income steating does not get filled first.

3500 x 0.16 x $55 / 2 = $15,400
9000 x 0.16 x $30 / 2 = $21,600
42500 x 0.16 x $10 / 2 = $34,000
Total = $71,000 (The maths isn't 100%, but is it is very close).

If you wanna maximize you income from VIP and EXEC seatyins, then you need to look at stadiums of around 11K-13K which is close to max VIP, max EXEC and 1000 normal seats. That means 68% of the above seating would have been filled if you had a 9251 friendly. Increasing your income.

The bigger the stadium, the general rule is less income as the seats are spread across more lower seating.

I try to aim for stadiums with $600-800K incomes and around the 13K seating capacity. Then you are likely to get 25% of the $600-800K.
  
projectrracing
Posts: 7952
Posted on 2012-04-13 1:25:18
pumuckl wrote:

projectrracing wrote:

I didnt say fifth so a stadium. I said fifth of normal crowds. The same calculations for regular game are used fot friendlies. So you could possibly see a difference of 10K of seats.



Don't get me wrong, AFAIR there is a possible max of around 15k tickets. If the actual capacity is higher than that, the income is capped, based on the distribution of seats/exec/vip. If this was changed, I missed the notice about...

That is what happens when you type on a mobile device on the train. lol

What I meant to say was that:-
Friendly crowds are only about 20% of normal crowds. ie TD teams 60K etc.
Same crowd calculations ie win/loss/weather/other are used.
This could see a change of crowds by up to 10K seats week to week.

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As for crowds, I've had a few 17/18/19K crowds towards the end of the season when it has been to high placed teams in higher leagues.

My biggest income from one friendly was $262,XXX.

My worse was last week where the stadium filled 1717 seats from a 8700 stadium. 5th place TD vs 10th place TD teams.
  
hosh13
Posts: 2985
Posted on 2012-04-13 11:36:54
projectrracing wrote:

You looking at it all wrong. 9251 is spread across all seating types. so of 9251 of 55,000 is 16%, so only 16% of the VIP seats were filled, 16% of the EXEC seats were filled and 16% of the normal seats were filled. The higher income steating does not get filled first.

3500 x 0.16 x $55 / 2 = $15,400
9000 x 0.16 x $30 / 2 = $21,600
42500 x 0.16 x $10 / 2 = $34,000
Total = $71,000 (The maths isn't 100%, but is it is very close).

If you wanna maximize you income from VIP and EXEC seatyins, then you need to look at stadiums of around 11K-13K which is close to max VIP, max EXEC and 1000 normal seats. That means 68% of the above seating would have been filled if you had a 9251 friendly. Increasing your income.

The bigger the stadium, the general rule is less income as the seats are spread across more lower seating.

I try to aim for stadiums with $600-800K incomes and around the 13K seating capacity. Then you are likely to get 25% of the $600-800K.



Assuming that's correct, that definitely needs fixing. Even if there is all VIP seating, then if the local interest is at 16% then you get 16% of 3500 VIPs no matter what other seating there is.

It means that in that area that the locals have a 16% interest. In general, Exec and normal people are not prepared to pay VIP prices, nor are normals prepared to pay Exec prices, and so they simply wouldn't go.

So if there was an interest factor of 16% then the crowd "should" be

16% of 3500 for VIPs = 560
16% of 9000 for Execs = 1440
16% of 120000 for normals = 19200

So for example, if your stadium has no normal seating, 2000 Execs and 1000 Vips then the crowd is 560 VIPs, 1440 Execs and no normals.

Hope they get this sorted - it's the little things that count.
  
projectrracing
Posts: 7952
Posted on 2012-04-13 11:55:33
hosh13 wrote:

Assuming that's correct, that definitely needs fixing. Even if there is all VIP seating, then if the local interest is at 16% then you get 16% of 3500 VIPs no matter what other seating there is.

It means that in that area that the locals have a 16% interest. In general, Exec and normal people are not prepared to pay VIP prices, nor are normals prepared to pay Exec prices, and so they simply wouldn't go.

So if there was an interest factor of 16% then the crowd "should" be

16% of 3500 for VIPs = 560
16% of 9000 for Execs = 1440
16% of 120000 for normals = 19200

So for example, if your stadium has no normal seating, 2000 Execs and 1000 Vips then the crowd is 560 VIPs, 1440 Execs and no normals.

Hope they get this sorted - it's the little things that count.

Not sure as to why you have just repeated what I typed. But it is the way that it is. It has worked for the previous 10 seasons. Follow the advice and you'll maximize you income.
  
Ebsmurdoc
Posts: 635
Posted on 2012-04-13 17:45:13
And it will work for the next 10 as well
  
hosh13
Posts: 2985
Posted on 2012-04-14 10:25:28
Ok, so if I have a stadium with 1000 normal and then the rest 3500 VIPs, are you saying that in order to fill the VIPs it would require a supporter interest of 100% i.e. a supporter interest that would fill a 132500 stadium?

Or is it that you merely need the game to allocate the crowd as 4500 or more to get the 3500 VIPs?

So overall I guess the question is does the crowd get allocated based on a raw number of spectators that can be spread out in any fashion, or is it based on a % that applies to the 3 different seating types?
  
projectrracing
Posts: 7952
Posted on 2012-04-14 11:25:49
the total crowd calculations has nothing to do with seating allocations.
if you have 4500 seats, then 4500 is all you need to fill it 100% yes.

if you have a stadium of max vip and max exec and 1000 normal seats, then you'd have 13500 seats. if you got 13,500 to that games, you have 100% boxes and seats filled. or $236,250 income for each team.

but if you have a stadium of max vip and max exec and 10000 normal seats, then you'd have 22500 seats. if you got 13,500 to that games, you have 60% boxes and seats filled. or $141,750 income for each team.

since most normal friendly crowds average 11-13K/$600K-$800K, this is why i recommended aiming for friendlies at those size stadiums. if you stay within those parameters, then you will always net $150K-$200K per friendly.
  
hosh13
Posts: 2985
Posted on 2012-04-14 14:34:23
My original point stands.

The game should generate a % interset instead of a raw number.

So if there was a 50% local interest then the max possible would be -

1750 VIPs
4500 Execs
60000 norm

That way, if you had 3500 VIP seats and 1000 norm then you'd get -

1750 VIPs and 1000 norm to a 50% local interest game.

Now that would make sense. And encourage managers to build proportionally as they would and do irl.
  
sh8888
Posts: 0
Posted on 2012-04-14 14:51:58
hosh13 wrote:

My original point stands.

The game should generate a % interset instead of a raw number.

So if there was a 50% local interest then the max possible would be -

1750 VIPs
4500 Execs
60000 norm

That way, if you had 3500 VIP seats and 1000 norm then you'd get -

1750 VIPs and 1000 norm to a 50% local interest game.

Now that would make sense. And encourage managers to build proportionally as they would and do irl.



You're probably right.
However .... there has always been a type of 'voodoo' when it comes to attendances for Friendly games, and knowing GI I doubt if this will change in a long time ... post a suggestion in the suggestions forum if you want, but it'll probably get shot down in flames.
Best thing to do is note the points in projectracing's post and follow his advice until things change ... if they ever do.
  
hosh13
Posts: 2985
Posted on 2012-04-14 14:56:35
For sure.

I intend to build VIPs and see if they always fill no matter what, as it appears they will.

Forgot about suggestions - will go and post there now.

cheers
  
 
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