But is it a necessary one?

Surely, it's more of an incentive to be promoted this season?

I personally think it's fine how it is, and a rewards to those that joined the game first. Whether it was by a difference of a few days or not.

In a league system like this it makes sense that the teams in the lower division get less. There has to be something to strive for and to make the user feel that they've promoted to a better division.

Eventually the top teams will plateau and the lower division teams will catch up to them, but until then there has to be difference in quality.

Squish wrote: I'm not trying to judge the game creator or anything but this game has a lot of little things that don't make sense. A smart creator would have started all teams in D4 (or D5 if need be) and the top 1 or 2 teams in each league would get promoted to the next level (much like international soccer which is closer in terms of league set-up than american football). So yeah, starting teams in different divisions is probably the worst mistake that could be made this early. Now teams will be unbalanced from now on and there is no way to fix that except by resetting the game.

I was just about to slate you, and ask you what you would like to be done. But you have just gave a great answer, and I will therefore shut the hell up.

Nice idea, indeed

It's the most mature response towards the equality of teams, that I have read so far. And for that, I give you respect.

hmmm...

I'm not sure which game you're playing but in Grid-Iron.org, the top divisions make more profit than the lower divisions. I suppose I'll just site the FAQ since some people don't bother reading it...


Club Shop
- "to successfully sell the merchandise you need to do good in the league games and preferably be in a higher level of competition."
-Earnings decrease for roughly 10% for each league level below the top division

So assuming you're in division 4 (as ~70% are) and you buy a Club shop and upgrade it the maximum 4 times you make $27,000 a week (not counting maintenance). You get - 30% earnings for being 3 divisions below the top. Thus your take is $18,900 a full $8,100 less just because you are in Division 4. What can you do for $8,100? You can pay 6.48 more staff members per week meaning 6.48 more training points per week. That seems like a big difference to me.


Now for the stadium...
- "League level the basic attendance is lowered by 6.000 for each level below the first; 54.000 for second level, 48.000 for third, 42.000 for fourth, and so on until the basic attendance is 6.000. The basic attendance stays 6.000 after the tenth level."

Say SOMEHOW the lower divisions kept up on stadium size (which they won't). The teams in the top division will be able to hold 18,000 more people at their maximum than the teams in Division 4 per home game. Let's say that they only get 15,000 of that extra attendance b/c they have bad weather that week (I'm being generous here). Let's say that attendance is divided by expected proportions between the seating sections (3% $120 VIP = 450, 7.5% $70 Exec = 1125, 89.5% $30 regular = 13425). You would make $535,500 more per game due to being in Division 1 rather than Division 4. That seems like a big difference to me. Counting all of next season (with 6 or 7 home games), that's a $3,213,000 difference. Add in 6 home friendly matches and the difference goes to $4,819,500 over the course of a season.


But anyway, I do agree with your thought that all things are finite in this game. Although, I've played many a game like this, and I must say that there is no way it will stay that way. The first person to max out their trainers will complain and the max will be raised. My guess is that stat ceilings will change too. I've seen it many times. World League Football (which this game is a clone of) experienced the same growing pains. Believing the caps will stay as is can be considered pretty naive.

I also agree that an active Division 4 team will no doubt be better than an inactive but wealthy division 1 team. That's not my concern. My concern is the difference between two equally well coached teams in the same position. Under the current system, the top team in all Division 4 will not catch the top Division 1 team for around 5 seasons in economic prosperity Assuming downtime in between seasons the time it will take for this catch-up process will be nearly 2 real-time years! And probably another 3 before their teams were as good.

My question is, do the game creators think it is fair to put some players 2 years behind others in development just because they signed up a mere month later? What % of players will even play that long? Won't the beta be reset before that happens? Assuming the D1 teams remain active and aren't idiots, they should already have clinched the beta championship simply because they are in D1. I've done the math and realized that I'm getting screwed in D4, why won't anyone else realize this?

I'll put out this bold statement...

If I were in D1 right now, I guarantee that my team would be making more money, have better players and be able to beat all D4 teams 100% of the time by the time beta ends. I'd start by building up my stadium. After reaching the max, the stuff I was talking about above would start (extra $4.8mil per season) I would corner the player market so NO D4 player could ever afford any of the players. By the time a D4 team raised to D1 (a full year from now), I would have players with skills 40% higher in every category at every position. My guess is that I would be able to not even set a formation and I'd beat them 100 to 0 despite the penalty. That seems like a handicap for D4 players to me...