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Cponyman
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Posted on 2009-05-10 22:55:27
omt deva wrote:

Help my please....What i must do to make players condition to 100% ?



Train them on average and be very patient
  
JM Henriksen
Posts: 435
Posted on 2009-05-10 23:32:18
Jinto wrote:

Well a lot of new players bid like crazy for players figuring if the price is high its got to be a good player... if the players is more than 50k i stay away and i never bid over 20 inless its a HUGE need for the team

I always felt its better building your own players than buying them



I'd like to see some kind of quarantine on buying players for new managers. After watching bidding for the last month or so, it baffles me how many new managers with 500 seat stadiums bid vast amounts on mediocre players from more experienced teams.

It looks suspicious, and makes me wonder... I hope there's some kind of mechanism where the people in charge of the game track tendencies (Team A buying a player from Team B for higher amount than X again...) and smoke out potential cheaters.
I'll admit it's easy to get caught up in a bidding war, so it could be just that...I guess there's a reason why betting and poker is massive online

What would be helpful -also to get new managers focused on other aspects of managing their teams- is if there was a quarantine of either a set amount of time (1 month perhaps?), percentage of cash the manager has, or build (stadium has more than 1.200 seats, for example) before the new manager can start wasting his money only to become a bot team within a few months
  
Cponyman
Posts: 0
Posted on 2009-05-11 6:52:16
There's safeguards built in. You can be 400k in the red and even if you go bankrupt you can start over. When you make rules like that you're telling people "We don't think you're smart enough to play this game so we're going to make sure you do it right." No thank you. If people want to shoot themselves in the foot , well it's their foot and their business.
  
TheFreakinStud
Posts: 0
Posted on 2009-05-11 7:17:31
Cponyman wrote:

There's safeguards built in. You can be 400k in the red and even if you go bankrupt you can start over. When you make rules like that you're telling people "We don't think you're smart enough to play this game so we're going to make sure you do it right." No thank you. If people want to shoot themselves in the foot , well it's their foot and their business.



  
JM Henriksen
Posts: 435
Posted on 2009-05-11 10:12:15
Cponyman wrote:

There's safeguards built in. You can be 400k in the red and even if you go bankrupt you can start over. When you make rules like that you're telling people "We don't think you're smart enough to play this game so we're going to make sure you do it right." No thank you. If people want to shoot themselves in the foot , well it's their foot and their business.



I disagree. The 400k in red is just such a rule, as you also pointed out yourself. I am saying the rules might not be good enough.

You could argue that the amount of bot teams proves just that, although I'm sure there are many more reasons why there's so many bot teams.
I'd just like to see some of those reasons eliminated, and I'd like to feel a little more assured that the game I'm paying to play is fair

If enough people are shooting themselves in their feet, it is not just their business - it is mine too. They're making the game less fun for me to play as I am essentially playing the computer instead of human opponents.
  
Odball
Posts: 0
Posted on 2009-05-11 10:29:02
always going to happen, so bids for players do seem over priced and strange. but easiest way i guess is just cap what u will pay for a player, always someone around that feels they can buck the system though. thats online gaming for u.
  
Cponyman
Posts: 0
Posted on 2009-05-11 14:15:25
JM Henriksen wrote:

Cponyman wrote:

There's safeguards built in. You can be 400k in the red and even if you go bankrupt you can start over. When you make rules like that you're telling people "We don't think you're smart enough to play this game so we're going to make sure you do it right." No thank you. If people want to shoot themselves in the foot , well it's their foot and their business.



I disagree. The 400k in red is just such a rule, as you also pointed out yourself. I am saying the rules might not be good enough.

You could argue that the amount of bot teams proves just that, although I'm sure there are many more reasons why there's so many bot teams.
I'd just like to see some of those reasons eliminated, and I'd like to feel a little more assured that the game I'm paying to play is fair

If enough people are shooting themselves in their feet, it is not just their business - it is mine too. They're making the game less fun for me to play as I am essentially playing the computer instead of human opponents.


Imo you have to give somebody a chance to learn from their mistakes. A person who is constantly bailed out never learns the consequences of their actions. What your saying is a contradiction anyway. This person isn't smart enough to run his team and needs assistance from the AI. Yet he's going to be smart enough to field a competitive team.
  
JM Henriksen
Posts: 435
Posted on 2009-05-11 22:57:40
Cponyman wrote:

Imo you have to give somebody a chance to learn from their mistakes. A person who is constantly bailed out never learns the consequences of their actions.



Agreed!

Cponyman wrote:

What your saying is a contradiction anyway. This person isn't smart enough to run his team and needs assistance from the AI. Yet he's going to be smart enough to field a competitive team.



That's not what I'm saying. As others have pointed out many times before, there's a lack of information when you enter the game as a newbie. This seems to lead to a lot of teams doing some corny moves early on, which in turn leads to more managers than what should be the case quitting. In other words: I believe there should be some tweaking done to make it easier to get started. "The person" isn't knowledgeable enough early on, but with better knowledge will be smart enough if he gets on the right track (or one of them...). There's no contradiction in that.

All I know after about a month playing, is that this is a pretty fun game that could be made even better with some tweaks. Personally I'd prefer if there was some kind of tutorial and more FAQ info etc. It seems to me the game relies quite a bit on the forum and user community. That's fine in a way, but should come in addition to all the official info

My other point with restrictions for new managers with regards to money use however, was with regards to potential cheating by users creating more than one team - then buying players from their main team at ridiculous prices with their new (and soon to become bot) team. Are you guys saying that is a non-existant problem? That the new managers buying players for 50.000 - 200.000 are all guys about to learn from an early mistake? If so I hope you're right
  
Cponyman
Posts: 0
Posted on 2009-05-11 23:23:07
Well we can agree on some points and agree to disagree on others. You may be right(although I'm hardly ever wrong). Lol. Anyway the road to better solutions is through discussion. Good luck this season.
  
JM Henriksen
Posts: 435
Posted on 2009-05-11 23:26:07
Cponyman wrote:

Well we can agree on some points and agree to disagree on others. You may be right(although I'm hardly ever wrong). Lol. Anyway the road to better solutions is through discussion. Good luck this season.



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