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cflames3412
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Posted on 2014-04-06 6:18:45
all are 30+
Paul Lofton QB
i know hes good but hes 30, hes good for another season or 2
Danny Watt WR
i understand he once was a freak but now hes 32
Terence Boren OL
hes 31 so the aging process is in affect
Jan Hefner OL
hes 31 and has had trouble staying on teams, currently a free agent
Danial Raymar OL
this dude is 33 how did we miss that!?
Carson Thomas OL
hes 31
Wilmer Sampson TE
next season is when we need to replace him but we need to search
Fabian Gaffney DL
hes 31 and i think hes a starter so thats a problem
Luke Holly DL
hes 31 and on a bot team
Kirby Morris
dude is still good but hes 30
Armand Dew LB
hes 30 and on a bot team
Cornell Knecht LB
hes 33 WTF
Errol Wooten LB
hes 30 and needs to go
Moises Chipman
30 and on a bot team
Guy Conrad G
geeeit him outta here hes 31


overview:
we've got a lot of players to replace so we need to get searching now.
  
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Posted on 2014-04-06 15:49:12
I don't see a problem with older QB's and K's. So far, it doesn't seem that they rely on speed and strength, and agility is a secondary skill for QB at best. The only downfall of age is reducing stats in these areas plus stamina.


I agree though that we should start scouting now. I've been scouting from the top earners list for a while now already. I've also gotten several 'scouts' off of players on the transfer market. I've compiled a list of about 500 players as potentials for the NT. Obviously, we won't be able to scout them all, but if we can get most of the top guys, we will hopefully find enough to at least fill in any weak spots.


I know in the past many NT managers have wanted to get rid of players on bot teams. I think players on bot teams should be treated just like any other player. The better stats get on the team. It's not like we're building a team for the future. We're building the team for this season. Next season, we can rebuild from the same or better pool of players. The primary concern for players on bot teams is potentially losing the player if the team gets a new manager, however, this will only happen to teams in the bottom divisions. Even then, NT players will go to transfer list, so there's still a chance to keep them.

One thing I've been wondering about players on bot teams, do they lose stats when they exceed 30 like other players? I know they don't increase skills and I don't recall if there's an injury chance. I wonder if bot teams just don't have a training period. If this is the case, bot players could retain some value if they have high enough skills as they may not decrease and may not get injured.
  
David Ortiz
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Posted on 2014-04-06 21:06:11
PHI 21 wrote:

I don't see a problem with older QB's and K's. So far, it doesn't seem that they rely on speed and strength, and agility is a secondary skill for QB at best. The only downfall of age is reducing stats in these areas plus stamina.



With regards to QB, I'd say age does matter. First of all, the stamina penalty means that, after a few seasons, the player will only be at 3* for the 2nd half of each game. When we factor in the negative effect of reduced agility, a QB who's losing fitness points must be replaced. With the importance of passing in this game, a 3* QB for the second half of a match isn't enough in III, never mind NT's.

I'm not as sure about K's. Stamina, again, will reduce their match rating to 3*. However, 20/20 kickers are so uncommon that a 40-year old 20/20 player might still be at the same level as a 25-year old 12/12 player.Last edited on 2014-04-06 at 21:10
  
Belau23
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Posted on 2014-04-06 21:08:31
PHI 21 wrote:

I don't see a problem with older QB's and K's. So far, it doesn't seem that they rely on speed and strength, and agility is a secondary skill for QB at best. The only downfall of age is reducing stats in these areas plus stamina.


I agree though that we should start scouting now. I've been scouting from the top earners list for a while now already. I've also gotten several 'scouts' off of players on the transfer market. I've compiled a list of about 500 players as potentials for the NT. Obviously, we won't be able to scout them all, but if we can get most of the top guys, we will hopefully find enough to at least fill in any weak spots.


I know in the past many NT managers have wanted to get rid of players on bot teams. I think players on bot teams should be treated just like any other player. The better stats get on the team. It's not like we're building a team for the future. We're building the team for this season. Next season, we can rebuild from the same or better pool of players. The primary concern for players on bot teams is potentially losing the player if the team gets a new manager, however, this will only happen to teams in the bottom divisions. Even then, NT players will go to transfer list, so there's still a chance to keep them.

One thing I've been wondering about players on bot teams, do they lose stats when they exceed 30 like other players? I know they don't increase skills and I don't recall if there's an injury chance. I wonder if bot teams just don't have a training period. If this is the case, bot players could retain some value if they have high enough skills as they may not decrease and may not get injured.



Agree with everything you just said. Happy I voted for you

But yeah, QB has no age effects really. Maybe Agility, but still. Lofton should be our QB until he retires or someone better comes. Also, If a player is fully-developed 20 skill, then being on a bot team is fine. The only players you don't want on bot teams is developmental players. Also, whoever wins USA coach, I have a list of players to help, and on that list are a few players to replace the positions of need you just said
  
Belau23
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Posted on 2014-04-06 21:10:08
David Ortiz wrote:

PHI 21 wrote:

I don't see a problem with older QB's and K's. So far, it doesn't seem that they rely on speed and strength, and agility is a secondary skill for QB at best. The only downfall of age is reducing stats in these areas plus stamina.



With regards to QB, I'd say age does matter. First of all, the stamina penalty means that, after a few seasons, the player will only be at 3* for the 2nd half of each game. When we factor in the negative effect of reduced agility, a QB who's losing fitness points must be replaced.

I'm not as sure about K's. Stamina, again, will reduce their match rating to 3*. However, 20/20 kickers are so uncommon that a 40-year old 20/20 player might still be at the same level as a 25-year old 12/12 player.



Yeah but fitness only goes as low as 12. So like I said, when a player comes along better than Lofton, then replace him. Always play the better player, age means nothing in this game production wise in-game.
  
David Ortiz
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Posted on 2014-04-06 21:12:32
Belau23 wrote:

David Ortiz wrote:

PHI 21 wrote:

I don't see a problem with older QB's and K's. So far, it doesn't seem that they rely on speed and strength, and agility is a secondary skill for QB at best. The only downfall of age is reducing stats in these areas plus stamina.



With regards to QB, I'd say age does matter. First of all, the stamina penalty means that, after a few seasons, the player will only be at 3* for the 2nd half of each game. When we factor in the negative effect of reduced agility, a QB who's losing fitness points must be replaced.

I'm not as sure about K's. Stamina, again, will reduce their match rating to 3*. However, 20/20 kickers are so uncommon that a 40-year old 20/20 player might still be at the same level as a 25-year old 12/12 player.



Yeah but fitness only goes as low as 12. So like I said, when a player comes along better than Lofton, then replace him.



True. Still, 12 stamina means he'll be at 3* for the 2nd half of a game. We need to find a replacement soon.

Belau23 wrote:

Always play the better player, age means nothing in this game production wise in-game.



On that point, we're in agreement.
  
cflames3412
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Posted on 2014-04-06 21:26:08
for qbs they should last till 32. problem is retirement. he could call it quits at 31. we dont know that. we do have work to do. this is an important cycle coming off of a loss in the finals.
  
Belau23
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Posted on 2014-04-06 21:37:59
cflames3412 wrote:

for qbs they should last till 32. problem is retirement. he could call it quits at 31. we dont know that. we do have work to do. this is an important cycle coming off of a loss in the finals.



True about retirement. Well we have good QB's on the roster, and let's not forget Gone Fishin (yes they're bot, but whatever if he's good enough) has a good QB in Cody Theis, and he's only 28. And the quarterback of Michigan State Spartans is good and young. He's already on the roster.
  
cflames3412
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Posted on 2014-04-06 21:42:16
Belau23 wrote:

cflames3412 wrote:

for qbs they should last till 32. problem is retirement. he could call it quits at 31. we dont know that. we do have work to do. this is an important cycle coming off of a loss in the finals.



True about retirement. Well we have good QB's on the roster, and let's not forget Gone Fishin (yes they're bot, but whatever if he's good enough) has a good QB in Cody Theis, and he's only 28. And the quarterback of Michigan State Spartans is good and young. He's already on the roster.



yeah
  
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Posted on 2014-04-07 2:03:18
David Ortiz wrote:


With regards to QB, I'd say age does matter. First of all, the stamina penalty means that, after a few seasons, the player will only be at 3* for the 2nd half of each game. When we factor in the negative effect of reduced agility, a QB who's losing fitness points must be replaced. With the importance of passing in this game, a 3* QB for the second half of a match isn't enough in III, never mind NT's.

I'm not as sure about K's. Stamina, again, will reduce their match rating to 3*. However, 20/20 kickers are so uncommon that a 40-year old 20/20 player might still be at the same level as a 25-year old 12/12 player.



The Stamina drop off isn't that bad. Most of my starters range from 9 to 15 stamina and all finish their games with 3.5* or better on the stat sheet. Most seem to finish with 4.5*. Those end game stat sheet ratings are extremely suspect anyway. The best end game stats I've had this season happened yesterday when I got pummeled by OrlandoGatrs22. My worst weeks were a 7 pt loss to Hakers and an OT win against The Warriors/Virginia 8-Balls. So far in league play, my team has done better when I have low end game stats, which seems should be the opposite to me.
Also, the drop rate for old timers is at most 4.5 skill pts per season. That's for players 33 and over with extremely bad luck on their random pts determination (losing max) every week. 31 yr olds will lose about 1 to 2 pts per season. While losing pts is not good, 1 to 2 pts shouldn't make the player useless.
And again, I'm not sure if players on bot teams even lose these pts. I think I will look into this somehow this season and see if I can figure it out. But if bot teams don't train (which they don't) it makes sense that older players might not lose skill pts as well. In that case, very good players on bot teams would have some great value for NT.
  
 
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