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TEs blocking
 
Zekral
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Posted on 2010-10-26 0:31:52
viktor wrote:

Even if the TEs block you would probably never know unless told so. The 'blocking(1-20)' skill may not necessarily hav e adirect correlation with blocking on pass/rush plays, if the other TE skills have been trained up.
Its a 'TE as an algebraic expression' going up a 'defender as an algebraic expression'



True but I doubt it is a simple expression of X+Y+Z=A

It is more likely (.5)X+Y+(.1)Z=A

Of course this is just a fictional formula and doesn't actually apply in game as far as I know.
  
iMan24
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Posted on 2010-10-26 0:48:51
the only thing we know about this game engine is passing and catching. the rest is an estimate (most are bad estimates)
  
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Posted on 2010-10-26 1:25:40
Zekral wrote:

viktor wrote:

Even if the TEs block you would probably never know unless told so. The 'blocking(1-20)' skill may not necessarily hav e adirect correlation with blocking on pass/rush plays, if the other TE skills have been trained up.
Its a 'TE as an algebraic expression' going up a 'defender as an algebraic expression'



True but I doubt it is a simple expression of X+Y+Z=A

It is more likely (.5)X+Y+(.1)Z=A

Of course this is just a fictional formula and doesn't actually apply in game as far as I know.



If that's true, then X+Y+Z=A would work just fine for the fictional formula. Because X could represent (.5 x any number), in its simplest form
  

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iMan24
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Posted on 2010-10-26 1:29:45
Gatr22 wrote:

Zekral wrote:

viktor wrote:

Even if the TEs block you would probably never know unless told so. The 'blocking(1-20)' skill may not necessarily hav e adirect correlation with blocking on pass/rush plays, if the other TE skills have been trained up.
Its a 'TE as an algebraic expression' going up a 'defender as an algebraic expression'



True but I doubt it is a simple expression of X+Y+Z=A

It is more likely (.5)X+Y+(.1)Z=A

Of course this is just a fictional formula and doesn't actually apply in game as far as I know.



If that's true, then X+Y+Z=A would work just fine for the fictional formula. Because X could represent (.5 x any number), in its simplest form



if x is a constant, that would be true. but x is not a constant (its a variable) and is bounded (presumably).
  
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Posted on 2010-10-26 1:32:42
iMan24 wrote:

Gatr22 wrote:

Zekral wrote:

viktor wrote:

Even if the TEs block you would probably never know unless told so. The 'blocking(1-20)' skill may not necessarily hav e adirect correlation with blocking on pass/rush plays, if the other TE skills have been trained up.
Its a 'TE as an algebraic expression' going up a 'defender as an algebraic expression'



True but I doubt it is a simple expression of X+Y+Z=A

It is more likely (.5)X+Y+(.1)Z=A

Of course this is just a fictional formula and doesn't actually apply in game as far as I know.



If that's true, then X+Y+Z=A would work just fine for the fictional formula. Because X could represent (.5 x any number), in its simplest form



if x is a constant, that would be true. but x is not a constant (its a variable) and is bounded (presumably).



Unfortunately, that is "just a fictional formula" and therefore, there would be no parameters in it's simplest form
  

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Gambler
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Posted on 2010-10-26 1:35:18
Well with the GL Cup starting up the experiment is going to be on hold for a bit, as I won't have the same friendly opponent for awhile now. And I agree, the utter randomness of bot games, etc. won't prove a thing.

Will update once I get to chance to test it in some more "controlled" circumstances.
  
iMan24
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Posted on 2010-10-26 1:43:19
Gatr22 wrote:

iMan24 wrote:

Gatr22 wrote:

Zekral wrote:

viktor wrote:

Even if the TEs block you would probably never know unless told so. The 'blocking(1-20)' skill may not necessarily hav e adirect correlation with blocking on pass/rush plays, if the other TE skills have been trained up.
Its a 'TE as an algebraic expression' going up a 'defender as an algebraic expression'



True but I doubt it is a simple expression of X+Y+Z=A

It is more likely (.5)X+Y+(.1)Z=A

Of course this is just a fictional formula and doesn't actually apply in game as far as I know.



If that's true, then X+Y+Z=A would work just fine for the fictional formula. Because X could represent (.5 x any number), in its simplest form



if x is a constant, that would be true. but x is not a constant (its a variable) and is bounded (presumably).



Unfortunately, that is "just a fictional formula" and therefore, there would be no parameters in it's simplest form



assuming it is a mathematical formula, it still would have to obey mathematical rules. there are inherent parameters when dealing with math.
  
Gambler
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Posted on 2010-10-26 3:51:09
Short version is ... there's enough unknowns in the system, I'm going to just start with the statistics route and try to see if with a good sample of runs ... with TE blocker, without TE blocker, with *bad* TE blocker, against the same opponent ... analyzing some scatter plots, etc.

I think it'll give a reasonable read of if TE blocking is actually being used at all - and if so, does the blocking skill make much of a dent.

I'll certainly share the info once I get a chance to do it ... this is the kind of info, that really should be available when you start here. Not the formulas mind you, but a more accurate nudge in the right direction. Especially where the sim engine gives such limited feedback on what actually happened on a given play ...
  
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Posted on 2010-10-26 4:36:16
iMan24 wrote:


assuming it is a mathematical formula, it still would have to obey mathematical rules. there are inherent parameters when dealing with math.



Yes, X+Y+Z=A is indeed a mathematical formula. When expressed in its simplest form, it works for the example given, most especially a fictional representation of the likely GI formulas.
  

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Solana_Steve
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Posted on 2010-10-27 20:55:12
My concern is that TE blocking might only be used during running plays...and how much do you run?

Then is the effect additive or does the game engine just select a blocker between the tackle and tight end? I which case, you might come up short if your tackle was a superior block.


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