iwillneverforgetthis wrote: Gatr22 wrote: iwillneverforgetthis wrote: I've actually noticed speed having an effeck on KR's (specifically PR's) How do you know it was the speed that effected the outcome of the kicks and/or punts? I find that interesting but not necessarily true Well, My one KR has 8 agility 9 catching good stamina good carrying 19 strength and 14 speed. While my other KR has 20 speed and 7 agility. He's been averaging 6-9 yards off punt returns. Maybe it's not the speed but it's been working pretty well of late.

I'm not following this, what was the average punt returns for the other guy? what are the carrying skills? I think carrying is far more important for returns than catching. I'd think carrying and agility would rule over either speed or strength, in any case. It's just so hard to compare players game to game as the spice factors and opponents are always changing. I sometimes will play 2 WR's on one side to see which one gets picked more by the QB, but you can't do that with KR's

iwillneverforgetthis wrote: Gatr22 wrote: iwillneverforgetthis wrote: Gatr22 wrote: iwillneverforgetthis wrote: I've actually noticed speed having an effeck on KR's (specifically PR's) How do you know it was the speed that effected the outcome of the kicks and/or punts? I find that interesting but not necessarily true Well, My one KR has 8 agility 9 catching good stamina good carrying 19 strength and 14 speed. While my other KR has 20 speed and 7 agility. He's been averaging 6-9 yards off punt returns. Maybe it's not the speed but it's been working pretty well of late. I'm not following this, what was the average punt returns for the other guy? what are the carrying skills? I think carrying is far more important for returns than catching. I'd think carrying and agility would rule over either speed or strength, in any case. It's just so hard to compare players game to game as the spice factors and opponents are always changing. I sometimes will play 2 WR's on one side to see which one gets picked more by the QB, but you can't do that with KR's I didn't actually train catching for the one guy, It came at 8 and I trained it to 9 when I was using him as TE. Basically all I'm saying is that the one guy has all better skills and better strength but less speed (14.) While the other guy has worse skills but has 20 speed. And the guy with more speed has been a much better returner for me then the guy with better skills. Maybe it's not the speed but it's quite interesting how he's returned better then the other guy

consistency, stcb( and "other blockers"?) on that side of the field , opponent gunner skills on that side ?

consistency is a good point. I have been trying to upgrade all my players to a minimum of 2 talent and 10 consistency. Then work on their stats.

viktor wrote: iwillneverforgetthis wrote: Gatr22 wrote: iwillneverforgetthis wrote: Gatr22 wrote: iwillneverforgetthis wrote: I've actually noticed speed having an effeck on KR's (specifically PR's) How do you know it was the speed that effected the outcome of the kicks and/or punts? I find that interesting but not necessarily true Well, My one KR has 8 agility 9 catching good stamina good carrying 19 strength and 14 speed. While my other KR has 20 speed and 7 agility. He's been averaging 6-9 yards off punt returns. Maybe it's not the speed but it's been working pretty well of late. I'm not following this, what was the average punt returns for the other guy? what are the carrying skills? I think carrying is far more important for returns than catching. I'd think carrying and agility would rule over either speed or strength, in any case. It's just so hard to compare players game to game as the spice factors and opponents are always changing. I sometimes will play 2 WR's on one side to see which one gets picked more by the QB, but you can't do that with KR's I didn't actually train catching for the one guy, It came at 8 and I trained it to 9 when I was using him as TE. Basically all I'm saying is that the one guy has all better skills and better strength but less speed (14.) While the other guy has worse skills but has 20 speed. And the guy with more speed has been a much better returner for me then the guy with better skills. Maybe it's not the speed but it's quite interesting how he's returned better then the other guy consistency, stcb( and "other blockers"?) on that side of the field , opponent gunner skills on that side ?

Well, that's my point. Your opponent, the consistencies, the weather and every other random spice factor changes all the time. Just makes for tough comparisons game to game. Over a season, you may note the total stats for league games, assuming they played the same games, and make a general determination on who performed better. Personally, I think speed is a small factor, but can be overcome by all the spice factors like consistency, away field advantage (soon to be home field), bpos, etc.

I don't think you can go wrong with high speed and/or strength, just nobody seems to know the true impact. Couple that with the fact that plenty of high skilled guys perform just fine with suspect speed leads me to believe it's marginal benefit, especially given the time it takes to train the speed to 20 to begin with (2-3 seasons at least)