SteelerSal wrote: Administrator wrote: Team B, it has better points difference. If this is the same, then number of TD's. Should be team A in my opinion if he beat team B twice in head to head, now if they split wins, then team B should win in points.

+1

Oh, hell yes. This is how American Football determines seeding, etc.. I can see in soccer where each point is precious that the total # points is a prime determinant but in US Football, where there are fairly few games played and many points scored, the system fails.

And was pointed out, this would be a deterrent to developing young players.

I would put this as a priority in scheduled changes to the game.

Sparcy wrote: I'm in a similar situation. In my league I am 2nd, with a 13-3 record. The team in 1st also has a 13-3 record but has lost to me twice. As it stands I am over 160 points behind him in pts difference, which means I will not get promoted. He still has 2 human teams to play so my prayers may yet get answered, but it's wrong that it should be out of my hands despite beating this guy twice in league play. Hell the combined score of our 2 matches was 48-7 to me so either he doesn't do much to manager his team or I struck lucky against him but either way does he deserve promotion?

Just to play devils advocate... he must have a better overall team than you as he's scored more points against the same opponents than you have.
You might "have his number" when it comes to a 1 on 1 game but he has done better over the whole divison than you.
So why should you get promoted just because you managed 2 wins over him, when he has outplayed you when the other 16 games are taken into consideration?

Honestly, it's horses for courses either way in my opinion. As long as the criteria are clear and applied to all, it makes no odds.

buckeye1022 wrote: karma99 wrote: Sparcy wrote: I'm in a similar situation. In my league I am 2nd, with a 13-3 record. The team in 1st also has a 13-3 record but has lost to me twice. As it stands I am over 160 points behind him in pts difference, which means I will not get promoted. He still has 2 human teams to play so my prayers may yet get answered, but it's wrong that it should be out of my hands despite beating this guy twice in league play. Hell the combined score of our 2 matches was 48-7 to me so either he doesn't do much to manager his team or I struck lucky against him but either way does he deserve promotion? Just to play devils advocate... he must have a better overall team than you as he's scored more points against the same opponents than you have. You might "have his number" when it comes to a 1 on 1 game but he has done better over the whole divison than you. So why should you get promoted just because you managed 2 wins over him, when he has outplayed you when the other 16 games are taken into consideration? I disagree with this part. As some have mentioned, some teams play young guys against bots to get ready for the future. This means that you aren't going to score as many points. Why should one team be rewarded for beating a bot 77-0 while another is penalized because they only beat them 50-0?

I disagree with your disagreeing
For exactly the same reason! Surely that makes the choice to play younger guys a tactical choice, which has consequences? Otherwise there is no reason not to play scrubs against bot teams making bot games totally pointless - they're bad enough as it is, at least the current way, trying to rack up a score as high as the other teams in your divison has meaning.
Why should the guy who plays his poorest skill players be rewarded just because he won 2 games (maybe by fluke) when the other guy has put in consistant solid effort by his best players all season?

In fact, you made me change my mind! Based on this, I think point difference IS the better option right now.
IF you're in a league with 10 human teams and it remains that way ALL season, then games versus each other is fine as a decider, but otherwise the point difference is needed to give bot games meaning - unless the Admin's improve the bots and make it so you're not guaranteed a win even if you play 22 kickers with all their attributes at 1
How much you win by vs a bot is the only meaning of the game! You remove that and 12 games a season (depending on your division) are utterly pointless.

A bigger issue in my eyes is a human team who beats you, then goes bot giving "free" wins to other teams in your division padding their win-loss ratio. With the rate of team turnover, this is much more of an issue to "it's not fair for promotion" in my opinion

karma99 wrote: So why should you get promoted just because you managed 2 wins over him, when he has outplayed you when the other 16 games are taken into consideration?

If I get promoted it would be because I outplayed him when we met. You can only outplay someone when you are going against them. You can't outplay someone who you are not playing against.