bigbudsmoker wrote: Like you say mate, no rules have been broken. Players have the right to play whatever team they choose in any given game but there has to be an element of honesty involved especially when there are league titles up for grabs. I will use myself and stevie76 as an example here. We are best mates, speak daily and have decent teams. Giving the strength of both our teams it would not be beyond reality for me to put out a bot lineup for my two matches against stevie while putting my strongest team out against everyone else.This would lead to a much better chance of stevie winning the league and then the next season stevie can bot his team against me which would give myself a huge advantage and a much better chance of winning the league. This could go on for seasons which would ruin the top division and make it pointless. I am not for one minute saying our teams are to strong for anyone to stop such antics, i am just using myself and stevie as an example because we are close friends with decent teams who could easily throw a match to help the other out. In the above scenario, We would not be breaking any rules but IMHO we would 100% be cheating. I know hemoroid and Monty Python have history and its clear that the later has put out a bot team on purpose (which is fine as no rules have been broken) to try and influence the winner of the league. It's poor gamesmanship and i'm sure most managers would be pissed of if they where on the receiving end. Once again no rules have been broken so hemoroid will just need to suck it and get on with it. It still a bit shit though eh?

I agree and Stevie and I where at the recieving end of such actions back in season 34. Throwing matches is not "not allowed" and that might not be the same as it being illegal or cheating. It is poor gamesmanship and we have seen plenty of examples of players doing this. Hemoroid has shown many examples of it and there is smoke, but unless - and this is my point (and reason Hemoroid believes that i defend H&S) - there is any clear evidence of collusion, no collusion has been done. This type of evidence is extremely hard to get hands on. I know this from my day-job where my team assists lawyers and agencies in collecting evidence.

So back to the actions and consequences. It happened. I don't think that anything will be done about it. Admins are to far away and some might say that they don't exist.

If the actions for H&S are deliberate, I feel sorry for Hemoroid for loosing his shot at the title. In season 34, I asked the admins several times to change the result of my game against Flanders and rightfully accept the second place in the league. I heard no answer. Saw no consequence despite Flanders admitting in the forums that he did throw the match.

I really enjoy Hemoroid's barely repressed fury. I reckon one would have a cracking night out with him.

SrednaD wrote: Like you said. Do it yourself.

I did! Just like I did the first time when I caught him cheating and I also reported another cheater who was spamming managers trying to convince users in regions with few active players to create accounts for him.
And they did jack shit! in both cases the cheaters are running loose destroying what's left of this game!
Someone with authority like A MODERATOR might have better chances to get the admins to to something!!! But if you don't care, you don't care...

SrednaD wrote: I agree and Stevie and I where at the recieving end of such actions back in season 34.

You weren't "at the receiving end", you were the one who BENEFITED from that and Stevie was the one who was robbed of a title. And that's exactly why you don't find anything wrong with such practices.

SrednaD wrote: Hemoroid has shown many examples of it and there is smoke

How can it be a coincidence when it is THE SAME DAMN TEAM involved in so many fishy matches?!?!?!?!

You want more, here's another example where those same damn teams were involved!

Would any of you, experienced managers, play a QB with no team chemistry in a cup semi-final? Of course not! Guess who did just that lat season??? Athens H&S!!! Against who? you've guessed it, Cluj-Napoca Red Caps!!!!
He bought the QB - Jay Jay Houghton on 20.10.2021 (check his transfer history), the same day with the semifinal and played him at QB!! With no Team Chemistry and in a pass heavy attack he obviously played like garbage (3 INT) and the team lost badly! He fired that player immediately after the cup match, if you don't believe me check the rest of the season no sign of Jay Jay Houghton in the line up!
Still not convinced? Here's some more, Santiago Montoya Gomez and Bartlomiej Wiewiora played for the commies in the semi-final but also played for Cluj in the final against me!!! The players got released by Athens a few days after the semi-final and were bought by Cluj!

SrednaD wrote: So back to the actions and consequences. It happened. I don't think that anything will be done about it. Admins are to far away and some might say that they don't exist.

Admins are alive, I got a message from them warning me for "harassment" because after our league (31 - 14 win) match I congratulated the cheater for the "great season" and the 6th place! They just don't do jack shit about cheating!
I got a message from a user in Switzerland that asked me to create a team in Romania "for a friend of his who was born here"! I reported him to the admins but apparently they did nothing and that manager (Patric_01) is still active and probably by now has a network of "friends" in all the regions that have few active players. Just like the scum Monty Python he too has Ultimate Supporter, looks like cheating is an undisclosed perk of that subscription.



If we trust what AbCat wrote, a former manager who really seemed to have deep knowledge about the game's history, teams DID GET FINED for similar actions in the past. Which means throwing games IS AGAINST THE RULES as it should be!

AbCat wrote: There is a precedent for this. Way back in season 12, Zaragoza Hurricanes threw two matches against their neighbours, Winds of Erytheia, to try and gift them the division iii.3 title. The ploy backfired, as the Hurricanes were fined a million dollars,

Keep in mind that if the admins do administer a punishment, it is not made public. If they delete accounts, it isn't hard for the community to figure it out, but we still have to guess at the offense. If the punishment is a fine, we would have no clue about it unless the punished says something on the forums.
I've heard of million dollar fines before which may sound like a lot. But really, if you spend a few seasons in the lower divisions with a team of lower salary players and a good size stadium, you can bring in several million a season. Someone with $50 to $100 million in their account likely won't blink at a million dollar fine.

So, it is possible the admins have looked into and administered fines. We don't know and most likely won't know. All we can do is report activity and hope for the best. If they have administered fines and the person is still performing the activities, hopefully, the next time it's reported, the fine or penalty will be much larger. But again, we won't know.

I enjoy the game. I don't like seeing cheating, but I learned long ago, there's no sense in getting upset about it. Report the activities, hope for the best, and move on.

SrednaD wrote: Other coaches are close, though but I would rather have an open and fair dialogue than submitting coaches to silence

Go right ahead and ban me from the forum if that makes you feel better about yourself, I really couldn't care less! The forum is almost dead anyway and I will no longer be wasting my time in a game where cheating is allowed.

SrednaD wrote: Your accusation og Monthy Python being a cheat because he is an ultimate supporter is banable

I did not say he's a cheater because he is an ultimate supporter, he's a cheater because he's a garbage human being, he gets away with cheating maybe because he bought admins benevolence!


Finally, here's a recap of Monty Python & friends cheating so everyone is aware of who they are dealing with

Season 33
Round 4: Athens Hammers n' Sickles 105 - 70 Petrovgrad Ravens
Petrovgrad plays bot DEF
Round 18: Athens Hammers n' Sickles 112 - 0 Klek Ravens
Klek plays bot DEF and OFF

Season 36
Cum semifinal: Athens Hammers n' Sickles 14-49 Cluj-Napoca Red Caps
Athens threw the game by playing a QB with no "Team chemistry", a player bought in the same day of the match which he released immediately after the semifinal
Few days later Athens releases 2 players that Cluj buys and plays them in the Cup Final. In the league both matches between these teams are won easily by Athens, seems like these two managers had an agreement to "split" the trophies!!!

Season 37
Round 15: Athens Hammers n' Sickles 7 - 49 Cluj-Napoca Red Caps
Athens plays bot DEF and OFF


Unfortunately the list will continue in the seasons to come