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Match with no defense
 
Hard-core fan (ultimate supporter owner)EnefelGI Supporter
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Posted on 2021-06-06 6:52:01
Can any of the administrators explain to me the absurd result of this match?
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The two defenses did not take the field or in the 2 attacks they played Superman, Thor etc. ?

Bah...
  
Camillo
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Posted on 2021-06-06 8:18:32
Enefel wrote:

Can any of the administrators explain to me the absurd result of this match?
126-91
The two defenses did not take the field or in the 2 attacks they played Superman, Thor etc. ?

Bah...



Main reason is you play without a safety.
  
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Posted on 2021-06-06 9:25:34
Enefel wrote:

Can any of the administrators explain to me the absurd result of this match?
126-91
The two defenses did not take the field or in the 2 attacks they played Superman, Thor etc. ?

Bah...



This happens more often. I always thought that this was caused by the blowout-handicap triggering for both teams, but how that can happen I don't know.
This game is another example of this fenomenon.

Camillo wrote:

Main reason is you play without a safety.


Ehhh... no. Both teams in the other example play with multiple safeties
  


Camillo
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Posted on 2021-06-06 12:39:21
simpathia wrote:

Enefel wrote:

Can any of the administrators explain to me the absurd result of this match?
126-91
The two defenses did not take the field or in the 2 attacks they played Superman, Thor etc. ?

Bah...



This happens more often. I always thought that this was caused by the blowout-handicap triggering for both teams, but how that can happen I don't know.
This game is another example of this fenomenon.

Camillo wrote:

Main reason is you play without a safety.


Ehhh... no. Both teams in the other example play with multiple safeties



You can't compare those two examples.

In the original example none of the teams botted.
If you check your example, I think you'll find at least one of the teams botted their defence.
  
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Posted on 2021-06-06 13:47:59
simpathia wrote:

Enefel wrote:

Can any of the administrators explain to me the absurd result of this match?
126-91
The two defenses did not take the field or in the 2 attacks they played Superman, Thor etc. ?

Bah...


Camillo wrote:

Main reason is you play without a safety.


Ehhh... no.



Ehhh... yes.

Look at the missed tackles.

Normally when running you don't see them that often in TD-matches. And when you do see them, there are three of them - D-line, linebackers and secondary (safeties).

What we see here is only two missed tackle. One in D-line, one in linebackers - and a free run for a TD.

There is NO SAFETY to do the third tackle.
  
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Posted on 2021-06-06 14:20:59
Playing with no Safety against 100% run will allow lots of TDs. My safety often gets 15+ tackles against the run, that would turn into 15+ TDs if he is not there, due to how defense zones are programmed.
The third run tackle is always by a safety.

The second match is similar since 1* safety will miss a lot of tackles against a decent offence.
  

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Posted on 2021-06-06 14:40:38
Oook, probably no ss Is the problem.

it does not seem to me that until a couple of seasons ago the ss was so important but ....amen!
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Posted on 2021-06-07 10:04:38
Camillo wrote:

simpathia wrote:

Camillo wrote:

Main reason is you play without a safety.


Ehhh... no.



Ehhh... yes.



Ehhh... yes indeed
  


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Posted on 2021-06-07 11:42:28
I do think that we need to see the match engine this way:

If the play is run;

1) Check for tackle in DL. If so, length of run will be from -10 to +10 yards and check if there is a TD,

if no DL tackle,

2) Check for tackle in LB. If so, length of run will be from 0 to +20 yards and check if there is a TD,

If no LB tackle,

3) Check for tackle in SF. If so, length of run will be from +10 to +50 yards and check if there is a TD.

If no tackle, -> TD

On pass, we have similar technic, but here the engine checks for tackles at DL level first (either pressure or sack), then LB/CB and finally SF/CB, but since no information is given on tackles on competed passes, we can only guess.

I did at some point run some statistics on run plays so the yards in the run example are from my memory and should not be taken for anything else than guesses.


Sooo. in regards to the OP, playing without safety would improve the opponents chances of scoring on runs and the bonus kicken in and it became a high-scoring basket-game...
  

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Camillo
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Posted on 2021-06-07 13:28:47
SrednaD wrote:

On pass, we have similar technic, but here the engine checks for tackles at DL level first (either pressure or sack), then LB/CB and finally SF/CB, but since no information is given on tackles on competed passes, we can only guess.



Your 'tackles' in pass-defense are not quite accurate, coach

First tackle comes from a CB or an OLB, second tackle comes from a MLB or Safety.

One of the stranger 'features' in this game, is the lines in defense vary depending on the form of attack.

When defending against Running the lines are what is known from real life (I think):
D-line, Linebackers and Secondary.

But when defending against Passing two of the lines are different:

Linebackers ===> CB's + OLB's

Secondary =====> MLB's + Safeties.
  
 
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