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Equalizing opportunities for teams of "small" GI divisions
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Posted on 2018-06-18 22:21:58
In my opinion, the elimination of the fifth and sixth leagues in all divisions without exception would reduce this problem.

Unfortunately, the developer today is not ready to do this.

It is important: managers from "big" divisions can spend extra money on players, develop teams. So the disproportion, in my opinion, still exists

lvess wrote:

Every season there are teams that crash out of the cup by getting matched up with other human controlled teams despite bots still being in the cup. That is just as unfair as having less cup games. This problem should be fixed first.

Your suggestion would actually give the smaller regions a benefit because while your extra full income friendlies were happening, human controlled teams would still potentially meet another human controlled team instead of bots, giving the smaller region team a bigger benefit by having access to cup level income without any danger of elimination.

As Gatr said, teams in smaller regions have an easier path to AFLC which helps balance things out.

  
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Posted on 2018-06-18 22:40:13
Yeah, there's so much wrong with this original post and some of it's been covered by others, some of it I'm forbidden from going into detail about ( by the forum rules and mods) but I'm going to throw my opinion in anyway

Firstly you seem to be of the opinion that every team in the larger regions are granted 3 or 4 bot teams to start the cup. This is in no way a guarantee. You also fail to acknowledge that in this seasons cup you personally have faced a bot team in rounds THREE, FOUR AND FIVE !! There's not many teams in the larger regions that benefit from such an easy path for going deep in their cup.

You mention how many bot teams are in the lower divisions of the larger regions and claim that this gives an unfair advantage in the cup. You fail to acknowledge that your lower divisions, which are IV and III, are also full of bot teams which allow teams in your region to be fast-tracked up to higher level divisions and therefore guarantee you greater attendances for league games. This in turn guarantees you a much greater income every fortnight from league games which is a far more sustainable method of maintaining a high salary team than a POTENTIAL cup run.

There are only 2 teams from every region that qualify for the AFLC (where the real money appears to be) and the chance to win the Iron Bowl. You are currently required to navigate 9 cup matches at most to reach the AFLC, some regions are 11 and these regions have far more/stronger opposition than yours. Given that in your region it would also be easier to win the Top Division as you get fast-tracked to the higher divisions then maybe, with equality in mind, your region should have it's AFLC participants cut down to ONLY the Top Division winner ? I'm guessing that would suck though eh?

I could go on and on (even more than I have) but simply put, I don't think you have thought everything through with regard to inequality. I also don't think you have it as tough as you think you do. Spare a thought for the new teams in regions where they meet a full 10 human teams at div IV or III level where they can be stuck for season after season !!

Finances and Inequality ? I would've left those topics alone. Can of worms and all that.


  
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Posted on 2018-06-18 23:04:06
You can become filthy rich in the smaller Regions too if you know what you are doing. Projectrracing of Oceania, for example, had like $ 100M in the bank a few seasons ago. On the flipside, countless managers regularly go bankrupt in the "richer" Regions because they are unable to survive in a very challenging environment that literally forces you to have an obscenely high payroll if you want to be remotely competitive.

That being said, we should definitely get rid of Div. VI in Central Europe (whose very existence no longer makes any sense at this point). It has been suggested many times in the past, but the Devs never listened.

Then we probably need just 5 Regions in lieu of the current 9:

1) Central Europe
2) Atlantic & Scandinavian Europe
3) North America
4) Eastern Europe + Balkan Region
5) Asia + Africa + Oceania + Central/South America

This would create a more balanced environment from both a financial and competitive standpoint. It would also screw up the AFLC massively, but who cares since I can't win the damn thing anyway. To hell with that.
  
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Posted on 2018-06-18 23:13:55
AudreyForever wrote:

You can become filthy rich in the smaller Regions too if you know what you are doing. Projectrracing of Oceania, for example, had like $ 100M in the bank a few seasons ago. On the flipside, countless managers regularly go bankrupt in the "richer" Regions because they are unable to survive in a very challenging environment that literally forces you to have an obscenely high payroll if you want to be remotely competitive.

That being said, we should definitely get rid of Div. VI in Central Europe (whose very existence no longer makes any sense at this point). It has been suggested many times in the past, but the Devs never listened.

Then we probably need just 5 Regions in lieu of the current 9:

1) Central Europe
2) Atlantic & Scandinavian Europe
3) North America
4) Eastern Europe + Balkan Region
5) Asia + Africa + Oceania + Central/South America

This would create a more balanced environment from both a financial and competitive standpoint. It would also screw up the AFLC massively, but who cares since I can't win the damn thing anyway. To hell with that.



I like the Idea about the 5 regions but then again my region wouldn't be changing

I don't think it would screw up the AFLC that much though
It would just require taking the number of participants up from 18 to 20 which could easily be done - Top 2 teams from each Top Division and also the 2 cup Finalists from each region ?
  
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Posted on 2018-06-18 23:34:34
shmertnickname wrote:

get rid of the bots!

ahHAHH H AH AAH HH H



If they went I would never get a win, hahahHHHAAAHAHHhaaahha
  
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Posted on 2018-06-19 0:15:25
bigbudsmoker wrote:



In the interest of sporting integrity the devs are probaly to busy stopping teams passing 2,3 and 4 star talent players for several million dollars at a time to one of their many feeder clubs.



nick9 wrote:

of course, every season to receive 2.5 - 3.5 million extra money due to more cup games with bots - it's more honest



Of course drawing a bot in the cup is more honest .... as it's not cheating or against the rules regarding the ownership of multiple teams and the passing of money between such teams !!

Also, You really need to do your homework on the cups.

You are guaranteed at least 6 cup ties this season as it stands.
There are 5 teams from the Atl & Scand region TOP DIVISION who have been eliminated after 6 or less cup games ..... 3 teams with 6 games, 1 team with 5 games and 1 team with only 3 games.
These are teams in our TOP DIVISION which highlights how tough it is to have a cup run in our region.

So how is it exactly that you figure that these Top teams, or most teams, are being guaranteed an extra 2.5 - 3.5 million more than you ??!!




  
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Posted on 2018-06-19 0:39:47
Having come from a smaller region, I have noticed this phenomenon also.

But as noted earlier, I was financially successful at one point in this game, $141M in the bank. But that was a different era and something you would be unable to do now with the dwindling numbers of human teams and limited transfer market.

So yes I agree that teams in larger regions do benefit from being in the larger region, but also as noted they have different issue they have to face due to being in those larger regions.

Something has always needed to be done to address the issue. And somehow adding more games would have been the solution in the past era.

But now with the dwindling number of human teams, I would agree that combining the smaller regions to make larger regions. This fixes two issues instead of one, as per the original suugestion. Gets more cup games by adding one more tier of divisions, and two, gets more humans into D1 and D2 tiers.Last edited on 2018-06-19 at 0:49
  
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Posted on 2018-06-19 0:48:25
stevie76 wrote:

So how is it exactly that you figure that these Top teams, or most teams, are being guaranteed an extra 2.5 - 3.5 million more than you ??!!


I cannot speak for the person you originally directed you question at. But ASE gets up to 11 games for being the cup, Oceania teams get 8 rounds max.

So the "potential" to get 3 extra games is there, hence around $3.3M-$3.6M is there. But no guarantees. I went out in our first round once against a human team.

But the suggestion of combining regions should at lest remedy this issue somewhat. As per my last post.

edit/ Balkans and East Europe (4 tier region) have 9 rounds of cup max. CE has 12 games max. So 3.3-3.6 mil potential losses for his comparison I'm guessing?
  
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Posted on 2018-06-19 1:15:03
projectrracing wrote:

stevie76 wrote:

So how is it exactly that you figure that these Top teams, or most teams, are being guaranteed an extra 2.5 - 3.5 million more than you ??!!


I cannot speak for the person you originally directed you question at. But ASE gets up to 11 games for being the cup, Oceania teams get 8 rounds max.

So the "potential" to get 3 extra games is there, hence around $3.3M-$3.6M is there. But no guarantees. I went out in our first round once against a human team.

But the suggestion of combining regions should at lest remedy this issue somewhat. As per my last post.



Yeah I understand the "potential" but as you said yourself, no guarantees.
And what with the competition within the region it is difficult to achieve a long cup run year after year. A lot of luck is required to avoid strong teams early year after year as, quite simply, there are far more.

The smaller regions also benefit from guaranteed larger attendances every league game due to starting in a higher division and being fast-tracked up to II or TD due to little competition. I imagine that this allows you to build a new team much faster and also to sustain a larger stadium and salary with more ease.

I'm sure that many in my region would love to have this luxury and not have to spend so many seasons before being able to sustain any kind of challenge for trophies/success

There's positives and negatives for every region. But I don't think it's as simple as to imply that every team in my region makes 2.5 - 3.5 million more every season than the original posters region, which is what he stated on numerous occasions. Because that simply isn't true.

I'd also point out that a "full rebuild" in the smaller regions would likely take you as low as Div II. In our region you will find yourself all the way down to Div IV at least. And it can be a LONG slog back up through the divisions.

  
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Posted on 2018-06-19 2:31:12
stevie76 wrote:

The smaller regions also benefit from guaranteed larger attendances every league game due to starting in a higher division and being fast-tracked up to II or TD due to little competition. I imagine that this allows you to build a new team much faster and also to sustain a larger stadium and salary with more ease.



Yeah never really thought about it like that. And it is a well thought out point.

Yes that can be a factor for long established teams. Never new teams not so much cos they ain't running 48K, 54K and 60K+ stadium sizes anyway.

But yes say the 6K is the difference D1 vs D2 at the start of a season, then up to 120K per home game extra, then if you are near the top of your division by the end of the season, then that will turn into 140-180K per home game extra due to attendance modifiers. So about $1.26M you get being in a safe D1 region. But only comparing top 3ish ranked teams, otherwise the modifiers keep these figures much closer.

I'm comfortable to agree though that that does help with the parity financially.

And if you factor in the money you loose also over a season being in a strong regions like ASE and CE where dropping into relegation zone means you are only picking up 30K attendances by season end, you'd be loosing more coin again. But if we are only talking absolutes and not potential, then you'd have to ignore this paragraph.
  
 
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