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Jarryd Hayne quits NRL for NFL
Forum index >> Australia >> Jarryd Hayne quits NRL for NFL Goto page : 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10
 
projectrracing
Posts: 7952
Posted on 2014-10-15 10:25:27
Seriously? He thinks he has a chance?

For his size and weight, speed hands and agility. He might have been a decent wide reciever. But route running is not something you pick up in a few months. Guys his ages have been route running for 15 years.

We will see him back for the 2015 NRL season.
  
hosh13
Posts: 2985
Posted on 2014-10-15 10:29:51
Yep.

I'd say he'll go for RB but I doubt he'll get signed by anyone.
  
AtlantaFalconsGuy84
Posts: 438
Posted on 2014-10-15 10:40:50
He could be a good fit for a kick/punt returner, but why would teams pick up him when they can just draft someone equally or more effective who's 3-5 years younger.
  
projectrracing
Posts: 7952
Posted on 2014-10-15 10:54:40
No college games. Gonna be a long road attempting just to get a tryout, let alone excel in a tryout to make a practice squad. Nil connections, as a nobody in America. So hard road just to get into a hometown club level team, before moving up the teirs to semi-pro levels. Before more tryouts once your name is known.
  
vantobia
Posts: 0
Posted on 2014-10-17 6:09:47
Trons sign J.Hayne as future QB.
  
Daudy
Posts: 1441
Posted on 2014-10-17 8:22:13
He's too tall for an RB, WR takes too much of a skill change, and not quite the right body type for LB atm. The other knock on him becoming an offensive player (be it RB or WR) is I don't think rugby players are particularly good at catching (at least compared to AFL guys)... It's why when Israel Folau was really big with the Melbourne Storm, I always sat back and admired it but also thought "hang on, that kind of grab happens here in the Aussie Rules Premier Amateurs all the time". I think his best chance is special teams or defence, but some big body changes need to be made.

A little while ago some All Blacks coaches visited the Broncos and noted that the training styles (and subsequently the body shapes) of the different sports were very different. They basically said the entire cardio component of the Broncos at the time was doing 100m sprints 10 times. Obviously they also had a lot more focus on explosiveness obviously. The idea that a professional sports team with such facilities and that much money doing merely 1km of hard cardio seems so foreign to me (mostly with experience with soccer and AFL). In AFL, we're talking like 20+kms a game of hard running, making leads, and so on for a AFL midfielder and maybe a bit less for key positions.

Anyway, the point being, he'll really need to change his body type. You saw this also with League converts into AFL. Obviously AFL is even more cardio based like I said, and Karmichael Hunt for example with his thunder thighs, really needed to slowly change his body shape. AFL is probably one of the most cardio intensive sports (outside endurance racing of various forms) in the world, so all that extra bulk did him no good. Subsequently, Hayne needs to do the opposite. 6'2 220lbs into a slightly bulkier mass with more emphasis on explosiveness rather than cardio. Luckily, most rugby guys are sort of halfway there already (and it's why AFL players will never make NFL players unless it's punter, because it's just too different).

I think he could do it and become a decent special teamer or maybe even a linebacker (I think defence assignments are a bit easier than route running/co-ordination with QB) with his excellent tackling technique. Lots of changes, but he's a good professional and if he really wants to do this he just might be able to.



EDIT: A different example of rugby to NFL might also be DL Jesse Williams, drafted by the Seahawks a while ago and former Alabama standout. He grew up playing rugby, but ended up playing gridiron. He's an absolute physical monster, but it's definitely a body type from being in the system far earlier than Hayne will be. Unfortunately he's yet to play due to knee injuries, but he was a pretty good prospect that only slipped to where he was picked because of injury concerns. But yeah, Hayne with professional sports experience and backing could make those adjustments.
  
hosh13
Posts: 2985
Posted on 2014-10-17 9:38:50
Daudy wrote:

I think he could do it and become a decent special teamer or maybe even a linebacker (I think defence assignments are a bit easier than route running/co-ordination with QB) with his excellent tackling technique. Lots of changes, but he's a good professional and if he really wants to do this he just might be able to.



Back in the 80s I played for the Sydney Uni Lions and NSW as both a TE and LB/DE. I guarantee you he will never be playing LB because there's shitloads to learn and a whole new skillset to develope in reading an offense both b4 and after the snap. By the time he worked it out he'd be 30+ if he was lucky. Ditto for TE/WR. He could have a shot at WR - he was a fullback so catching difficult bombs etc would serve him well there, but he'd still have a tone to learn reading zones in particular.

Imo, he'll play RB or nothing. I'm sure he'd rather come back to the NRL and be a star instead of disappearing as a ST player with the possible exception of KR/PR.
  
Daudy
Posts: 1441
Posted on 2014-10-17 12:26:21
I agree in a pinch. Learning different coverages and all that would take a lot of time, but I think he could do the job on specific downs. Particularly as a blitzer or a run stopper or if he's just told to play man coverage on a specific guy (which in my experience as a CB for Monash was reasonably straight forward). Goalline situations, FGs, and so on.

I just don't see him as an offensive player at all. RB seems the most natural fit, but he's much taller than what's frequently wanted and I think he's going to get broken ribs really quick. TE would athletically seem like a good fit, but blocking assignments, route running, and catching would be issues. WR would accentuate the last two even more. I know as far as Rugby League guys go (playing Fullback and all) he's a reasonably good handler of the ball, but honestly the ball handling skills across the code really aren't that great (and they play with a big ball too). Like I said, the grabs that Israel Folau used to take for the Storm and Broncos are seen at Amateur AFL level (though he impressively then manages to twist around and put it down for a try mid air)! He also just doesn't have the pure speed for a dedicated KR/PR even though his NRL FB experience would help, though I think he could be a bit quicker if he was successful in changing his physique (explosiveness over cardio).

One potential place I see him going is Fullback. Yeah he'll have to learn some basic pass blocking, but I think it's simpler than being a TE. I think he's got reasonable vision from his time in the NRL, and I like his size and potential for FB run blocks + he might get a few carries or short passes. Simple, but important stuff, and I think his height and size would be better here.

SO yeah, I see him as a FB, a very limited LB, or a Gunner. I think he'd do well as an FB or a Gunner. I'd hazard a guess that both those positions, although not glamorous, would still pay a lot more than the NRL can/will.
  
hosh13
Posts: 2985
Posted on 2014-10-17 20:25:02
Daudy wrote:

I agree in a pinch. Learning different coverages and all that would take a lot of time, but I think he could do the job on specific downs. Particularly as a blitzer or a run stopper or if he's just told to play man coverage on a specific guy (which in my experience as a CB for Monash was reasonably straight forward). Goalline situations, FGs, and so on.



You must have had a lot of natural ability if you thought it was easy to play coverage as a CB! Especially man coverage - very easy to understand the basic assignment but the doing of that I found insanely difficult and probably something that would take seasons to get down pat. Where to line up, bump or not, buffer, shade inside/outside, deep/underneath. And then on top of all that you need to read the moves of the receiver and also have the speed/agility to keep up and preferably the muscle to not get bullied out of the way. Then the hand/eye co-ordination to breakup or INT a pass. There is nothing rugby league about any of that!

He wont be playing defense and it'd be a waste of his talent - he needs the ball in his hands - he's an attacking player for sure. The try he scored in origin 1 this year probably won us the series at long last!
  
Daudy
Posts: 1441
Posted on 2014-10-18 5:30:33
Yeah, I think it's the AFL base that gave me help with man coverage and not being too fussed about quick reactions to routes. You have to deal with forwards making leads and doing their circle work a lot in AFL. Not the same obviously, but it definitely helps. I see what you mean when you say there's nothing in league that does that.

I stand by my FB thoughts though. I think that's the only non special teams position he could do in a reasonable timeframe.
  
 
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